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[Art Botterell]

Allen - Let me try to say this plainly, because it seems to have become confused: The ICS messages are an entirely separate project from CAP. The ONLY connection between CAP and the ICS messages is that one individual (me) suggested that a particular subset of the elements used in CAP might also be useful in the ICS-201 implementation. The "purpose" statement is in the very first paragraph of the draft requirements document: "The Incident Briefing (IB) message is an XML-oriented format for a simple standard summary of the status of and response to an incident at a single point in time from the perspective of the Incident Commander. It is based on the proven format of the ICS-201 form used for many years in the Incident Command System. This digital version will allow the transmission, collection and analysis of basic incident information over interoperable data networks with minimal impact on existing incident management practices." NOBODY has proposed that the ICS messages be instances of CAP, or vice versa. If that's clear, can we please move on now? - Art At 7:45 PM -0400 7/16/03, Allen Wyke wrote: >Ok, wait a minute. That changes things in terms of my understanding, >which I admit could be wrong. Are you guys trying create an XML >representation of ICS, or create a CAP representation of a given (or set >of) ICS forms (aka example use of CAP like with the HS monitor)? If the >latter, that seems like you are trying to make CAP into something much >bigger than it is (replay in your mind the wonderful F2F debate >yesterday). > >Not touching that one with a 10 foot pole in terms of assuming, so maybe >if someone would send the "purpose" statement of what you are trying to >accomplish with your ICS work, that would clarify things. I went back >through the minutes and emails and didn't see anything that answered >this question, but I might have missed it or maybe you guys discussed, >but the context and content of the discussion was not captured. > >Sorry to beat a dead horse - Allen > >On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 11:33, Walid Ramadan wrote: >> I certainly am not an expert on ICS, but it may be worthwhile for the >> experts on ICS within the subcommittee to go through the exercise of >> identifying the common data elements between the referenced elements >> in CAP and those of the ICS forms (not just ICS Form 201). This will >> determine the extent to which we can re-use existing CAP components, >> and more importantly, what ICS form provides us with the most bang for >> the buck. >> >> >> Walid >> >> >>