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Proposal for replacement for EI Fig. 1-1

From: Phil Davis <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:35:00 -0000

1. Once the customer is interactive, he is an implied resource, though that's worthy of a debate 2. Depends on whether a balancing authority also refers to economic balance. NERC doesn't mean that, of course, but it does need to be implicit, otherwise we're not addressing all the balancing components. Phil Phil Davis Senior Manager - Solutions Schneider Electric Demand Response Resource Center 3103 Medlock Bridge Road, Suite 100 Norcross, GA 30071 404..567.6090 [email protected] www.schneider-electric.com Skype: pddcoo On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Holmberg, David < [email protected] > wrote: I guess what I realized from Ed?s comment was that the consumer (just a consumer) is still an EI participant, whether he offers any resource or not. So, seems we need him in there. As for Balancing Authority?can?t you run a market without having balancing authority? From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Phil Davis Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:12 PM To: Holmberg, David Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [energyinterop] Proposal for replacement for EI Fig. 1-1 With Dave;s comments, I like the three node model (no consumer) better for purposes of this discussion. Also, would the NERC idea of Balancing Authority work to replace the Market Operator term with all its components? It conveys a sense of responsibility regardless of the title of the entity. Phil Davis Senior Manager - Solutions Schneider Electric Demand Response Resource Center 3103 Medlock Bridge Road, Suite 100 Norcross, GA 30071 404..567.6090 [email protected] www.schneider-electric.com Skype: pddcoo On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Holmberg, David < [email protected] > wrote: Good question. Is not Energy Interop serving the ideal of more efficient markets and use of resources? So, the ?Resouce Provider? can be the customer, or the generator, or the storage?but then maybe they are also just a service provider to the utility? That is, OpenADR is not serving a customer, but rather the ?customer? is providing DR service to the utility. Maybe EI is only about VEN and VTNs? And the market operator is a ?market service provider?? If by customer we mean the end load buildings that consume most of the power and the industrial plants that eat the rest, then they are the only ones who are not a service provider, just a consumer (although they can act in other roles). So, maybe we need a cloud just for ?consumer?? I was trying to show that the consumer can also be DER. Maybe this? From: Ed Cazalet [mailto: [email protected] ] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:47 PM To: Holmberg, David; [email protected] Subject: RE: [energyinterop] Proposal for replacement for EI Fig. 1-1 Sorry, but where is the customer in the new diagram? Are they not who Energy Interop is to serve? Edward G. Cazalet, Ph.D. 101 First Street, Suite 552 Los Altos, CA 94022 650-949-5274 cell: 408-621-2772 [email protected] www.cazalet.com From: Holmberg, David [mailto: [email protected] ] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [energyinterop] Proposal for replacement for EI Fig. 1-1 This addresses Jira issue 306. The current Fig 1-1: My proposed update for discussion: I?m trying to get down to the fundamental view of who is using EI, and away from the NIST cloud diagram. Does this work? Or is it getting closer? David Holmberg NIST Engineering Laboratory 301-975-6450 ?God cannot give us a happiness and peace apart from Himself, because it is not there. There is no such thing.? C.S. Lewis ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ________________________________________________________________________