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Subject: Re: [legalxml-sc] RE: [legalxml-courtfiling] Apologies and follow-upto Jan 6th 2004 conference call




From: "Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org>
To: jmessing@law-on-line.com
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 08:52:05 -0500






I don't know the fulll background of this discussion, but John's got it
pretty much right. In general terms, TCs are proposed by the members of
OASIS, and an OASIS TC sets its own agenda and schedule, etc. If a group
of members wants to start the new TC suggested by Diane they may do so.
If the Court Filing TC wants to start a new subcommittee it may do so.

But where there's a member section (such as LegalXML) or a joint
coordinating committee (such as ebXML or Security) there's another layer
to consider. The member sections' steering committee, or the joint
committee, may not override the above process but may wish to get
involved in the discussion in order to coordinate efforts. If there's
talk about a new TC having to do with LegalXML the steering committee
would proably want to discuss how this would fit in with the existing
LegalXML TCs to make sure that the charter and deliverables fits in with
the other TCs and that there isn't overlap. Plus, the steering committee
"owns" the LegalXML name at OASIS, so a new TC cannot use that name
unless the members of the steering committee decide that the new TC fits
in the purose of the member section.

So the process is still "bottom up" and member driven, but a member
section steering committee should get involved in the dicussion.

-Karl



jmessing wrote:
 > This email comments on the following (edited) exchange between Diane 
Lewis and Jim Cabral.
 >
 > <diane lewis>	Suggest:  separate initiative either as part of the 
Court Filing TC or through a proposal to the LegalXML section to create 
a separate TC for Electronic Preparation Provider spec development??
 > ....
 >
 >>	Shouldn't an "off-spring" of Blue be a TC or a Sub TC under Court 
Filing that constructs an XML compliant syntax for representing court 
filing documents authored by Court customers (e.g. attorneys)?   Is 
there a need from such a specification?
 >>	
 >>	Decision for TC members to entertain:  Is this type of 
standard/specification development of value to the legal/justice 
community?  If so, where does it belong:   OASIS Legal XML or OASIS 
e-government, or a different effort similar which could be defined along 
the lines of the Education TC purpose statement ?
 >>	The purpose of the OASIS Education XML TC is to represent 
international pre-Kindergarten through 12th grade (PK12) interests by 
developing XML requirements documentation for shared extensible user 
profiles, controlled vocabularies, taxonomies, and thesauri, and other 
needed specifications.
 >
 > </diane lewis>
 >
 > <jim cabral>	To me, these questions seem to be more appropriate for 
the LegalXML Steering Committe to decide rather than for the TC. 
Unfortunately, the Steering Committee has not provided sufficient 
direction to date in clarifying the relationships between the TCs in the 
Member Section.  It is something that I, and I believe other Steering 
Committee members are hoping to resolve once the committee is fully 
constituted, hopefully by the end of this month.
 > </jim cabral>
 >
 >>	
 >
 >
 > I think Jim's response to Diane misconceives the nature of a steering 
committee within the OASIS structure. OASIS is a "bottom-up" structure 
where the TC's are the basic units that govern the work of the 
organization and the rest of the organization in theory exists to 
support the TC's. If an Electronic Preparation Provider TC is thought to 
be useful, then three or more OASIS members are empowered to draft a 
charter and propose it as a TC. If the CourtFiling TC believes it proper 
to create a subcommittee for this purpose or any other purpose related 
to its charter, then it is authorized to do so as a TC. The Steering 
Committee's role is to review and approve or disapprove a newly proposed 
TC Charter.
 >
 > I was a member of the joint security steering committee of OASIS. 
 From what Karl and others explained at that time, a steering committee 
represents a grouping of TC's. It exists to help the member TC's achieve 
their respective goals, largely in response to common concerns and 
requests of the TC's presented to the steering committee. The type of 
"leadership" which has been casually invoked as a criticism of the 
current Steering Committee of LegalXML-OASIS in the CourtFiling TC 
discussions is not suited to the structure that OASIS has created, 
although it might have been appropriate to the Board of Directors of 
LegalXML, which was a "top-down" structure, as it existed prior to the 
merger with OASIS.
 >
 > The LegalXML-OASIS Steering Committee has decided in its discretion 
to await its full complement of members before taking substantive 
decisions affecting the organization. If this is not to the liking of 
the CourtFiling TC then perhaps Roger Winters can advise the Steering 
Committee accordingly and we can take a different course.
 >
 > If the CourtFiling TC has proposals to make to the Steering 
Committee, then I invite the TC thought its representative to do so, 
directly and forthrightly, rather than by way of innuendo directed to 
the CourtFiling TC membership about the Steering Committee's presumed 
failure to meet its responsibilities, which is unfair to the newly 
constituted and hard-working volunteer Steering Committee members.
 >
 > Best regards and happy new year to all.
 >
 > John Messing
 >
 >
 >
 >
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 >
 >
 >


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RE: [legalxml-courtfiling] Apologies and follow-up to Jan 6th 2004 conference call
From: "jmessing" <jmessing@law-on-line.com>






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