Dave Booz: agenda: 1. Roll call 2. Scribe appointment Scribe list attached below 3. Agenda bashing 4. Meeting Minutes Minutes of 2010-11-08 telcon http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/40157/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202010-11-08.doc 5. TC Administrivia a. Recording issue status - 12 open, 1 new b. Status of new CSD/PR for CAA-spec/POJO-spec/POJO-TA/POJO-TC 6. ACTION ITEMS 2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example of the componentType introspection (JAVA-5PENDING 2010-04-12-01: Dave B to check availability of an appropriate runtime supporting the EJB Binding PENDING 2010-06-14-01: Mike/Anish to provide proposal for Issue JAVA-182 and prepare a CD PENDING 2010-11-08-01: Anish to engage with the TC admin to get the CSDs published and the PRs initiated DONE 2010-11-08-02: Mike to produce comments on issues 217-221 PENDING 7. New Issues (requires 2/3) a. JAVA-222 Abstract of POJO test case doc has cut and paste errors http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-222 8. Issues with proposals NONE 9. Issues waiting for updated proposals (Spring/EJB/JEE) a. JAVA-217 Weak design: Target is often not well identified, in several TAs http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-217 b. JAVA-218 Target is often too fine-grain, leading to convoluted references http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-218 c. JAVA-219 Some spec requirements may need more than one TA http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-219 d. JAVA-220 Target should not be an "event", but an identifiable entity http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-220 e. JAVA-221 Stronger use of "tags" might help classify TAs based on targets http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-221 f. JAVA-109: Property and reference names computed from SCA annotations in web modules not specified explicitly http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-109 Proposal in Jira Waiting for updated proposal (Vamsi) g. JAVA-182: SCA Spring C & I specs needs to refactor text under abstract and introduction http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-182 No proposal (Ram) h. JAVA-174: Consider portlets in the SCA JEE specification http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-174 i. JAVA-91: Java EE Spec: Need to define the derivation of the name of a component contributed to the Domain by an application.composite file http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-91 Waiting for updated proposal (Mike) j. JAVA-93: JEE Integration spec needs to define how effective CT is calculated http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-93 Waiting for updated proposal (Anish) k. JAVA-108: RFC2119 Language is needed for the SCA-JEE Specification http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-108 Waiting for updated proposal l. JAVA-88: Java EE Spec: The @archive attribute of the implementation.jee element needs fixing http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-88 No proposal Plamen to check whether on his informal JEE issues list 10. AOB a. straggler role 11. Spec status CAA (part of 1st batch of 1.1 specs): 0 open issue, 1st PR done, CSD05 expected to be final CSD 1st impl: Tuscany (compliant), 2nd impl: ?? TA: CD01 PR ended 2010-10-24, 0 open issue, CSD02 expected to be final CSD TC: CD01 PR ended 2010-10-24, 0 open issue, CSD02 expected to be final CSD POJO (part of 1st batch of 1.1 specs): 0 open issues, 1st PR done, CSD03 expected to be final CSD 1st impl: Tuscany (compliant), 2nd impl: ?? TA: WD stage, no CSD yet, 60 day PR needed TC: WD stage, no CSD yet, 60 day PR needed EJB Binding (not part of 1st batch of 1.1 specs): 0 open issues, 1st PR done, CSD03 expected to be final CSD 1st impl: ??, 2nd impl: ?? TA: WD stage, no CSD yet, 60 day PR needed TC: WD stage, no CSD yet, 60 day PR needed Spring C&I (not part of 1st batch of 1.1 specs): 1 open issues, WD stage, no CSD yet, 60 day PR needed 1st impl: ??, 2nd impl: ?? TA: no work done TC: no work done JEE (not part of 1st batch of 1.1 specs): 6 open issues, WD stage (not actively worked on), no CSD yet, 60 day PR needed 1st impl: ??, 2nd impl: ?? TA: no work done TC: no work done ----------------------------------------- Scribe list: Plamen Pavlov: 3 Ashok Malhotra: 20 Anish Karmarkar: 18 (Last scribed: 2010-09-13) Mike Edwards: 21 (Last scribed: 2010-10-1
Bryan Aupperle: 27 (Last scribed: 2010-10-25) Martin Chapman: 20 (Last scribed: 2010-11-01) Dave Booz: 3 (Last scribed: 2010-11-0
anish: 5 out of 7 present
Ashok (Oracle): scribe: Ashok
Ashok (Oracle): Agenda Review
Ashok (Oracle): No changes to agenda
Ashok (Oracle): 4. Meeting Minutes Minutes of 2010-11-08 telcon http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/40157/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202010-11-08.doc
Ashok (Oracle): No objections. Minutes approved.
Ashok (Oracle): 5. TC Administrivia a. Recording issue status - 12 open, 1 new b. Status of new CSD/PR for CAA-spec/POJO-spec/POJO-TA/POJO-TC
Ashok (Oracle): There is a formal webpage for PR review.
Ashok (Oracle): Mary is working on request. She may be able to get to it tomorrow.
Ashok (Oracle): 6. ACTION ITEMS 2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example of the componentType introspection (JAVA-5PENDING 2010-04-12-01: Dave B to check availability of an appropriate runtime supporting the EJB Binding PENDING 2010-06-14-01: Mike/Anish to provide proposal for Issue JAVA-182 and prepare a CD PENDING 2010-11-08-01: Anish to engage with the TC admin to get the CSDs published and the PRs initiated DONE 2010-11-08-02: Mike to produce comments on issues 217-221 PENDING
Ashok (Oracle): Anish has done 2010-11-08-01
Ashok (Oracle): 7. New Issues (requires 2/3) a. JAVA-222 Abstract of POJO test case doc has cut and paste errors http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-222
Ashok (Oracle): Bryan moves to open issue 222. Dave seconds
Ashok (Oracle): No objections. Issue opened.
Mike Edwards: +1 from me
Ashok (Oracle): Bryan moves to resolve 222 by replacing 'Assembly' with 'POJO Component Implementation'
Ashok (Oracle): Bryan: Same problem in Section 1 line 24
Ashok (Oracle): Bryan: Amends motion to include section 1.
Ashok (Oracle): Ashok seconds
Ashok (Oracle): No objection to amendment. Amendment approved.
Ashok (Oracle): No objection to main motion. Issue 222 is resolved.
Ashok (Oracle): ACTION: Anish to create PR components in JIRA
Ashok (Oracle): 9. Issues waiting for updated proposals (Spring/EJB/JEE)
Ashok (Oracle): Anish: Let us discuss and see what we need for the issue
Ashok (Oracle): a. JAVA-217 Weak design: Target is often not well identified, in several TAs http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-217
Mike Edwards: I disagree with the comments made in 217
Ashok (Oracle): Statements are about the artifacts not the runtime. So, I would not change the
Ashok (Oracle): assertions in the manner that Jacques recommends
Ashok (Oracle): Anish agrees with Jacques
Ashok (Oracle): Discussion about what the target of assertion is
Ashok (Oracle): DaveB: Seems arbitrary. Not inclined to debate this.
Ashok (Oracle): Anish: We can ask Jacques to be specific about which assertions are involved
Bryan Aupperle: The CAA spec identifies three conformance targets: a runtime, XML documents and Java classes. All three thus can be considered implementing the spec. and thus valid TA targets.
Bryan Aupperle: http://docs.oasis-open.org/tag/guidelines/v1.0/cd04/testassertionsguidelines-cd-04.pdf
Ashok (Oracle): Anish: MikeE, could you send mail to Jacques telling him your views
Ashok (Oracle): MikeE agrees to send mail
Ashok (Oracle): ISSUE 218
Ashok (Oracle): MikeE: All he has done is change the English of the target. His example is a poor one.
Ashok (Oracle): Bryan: I don't think his suggestion improves the document.
Ashok (Oracle): Anish: I like the way we have it. Target should be fine-grained.
Ashok (Oracle): Bryan moves to close 218 with no action. MikeE seconds.
Ashok (Oracle): No objection. Issue 218 is closed with no action.
Ashok (Oracle): MikeE: I can reply to Jacques re 218 also.
Ashok (Oracle): Issue 219
Ashok (Oracle): MikeE: I don't agree. He is talking about the positive and negative versions of the test.
Mike Edwards: I got cut off - redialling
Ashok (Oracle): Bryan: We have done this as appropriate
Ashok (Oracle): Bryan moves to close 219 with no action. DaveB seconds.
Ashok (Oracle): No objection. Issue 219 is closed with no action.
Ashok (Oracle): MikeE will respond re. 219 also
Ashok (Oracle): Issue 220
Dave Booz: JCA20009: The SCA runtime MAY use by-reference semantics when passing input parameters, return values or 234 exceptions on calls to remotable services within the same JVM if both the service method implementation 235 and the service proxy used by the client are marked allows pass by reference. [JCA20009]
Ashok (Oracle): Bryan: I understand the point in this case but not sure I like the proposed resolution.
Ashok (Oracle): Anish: Needs more discussion
Ashok (Oracle): Straggler roll: Plamen is here
Ashok (Oracle): COB
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All the best, Ashok
All the best, Ashok