Re: [sdd-chair] FW: SI committee meeting

[Brent Miller <bamiller@us.ibm.com>]

Done.

Regards,
Brent

Brent A. Miller
STSM, Autonomic Computing Architecture
IBM Corp.
Tel. 919-543-6959 (TIE 441)

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But,
in practice, there is." 
-- Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut

"Heine, Frank" <frank.heine@sap.com>

10/05/2006 05:21 AM

To	Brent Miller/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
cc	<sdd-chair@lists.oasis-open.org>, "Robsahm, Chris" <chris.robsahm@sap.com>
Subject	[sdd-chair] FW: SI committee meeting

Hi Brent,
 
Can you please change my status
from “Observer” to “Member”. 
 
Thank you.
 
Frank Heine.

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From: Brent Miller [mailto:bamiller@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:11 PM
To: Robsahm, Chris
Subject: Fw: SI committee meeting

Chris, 

It occurred to me that you hadn't see the agenda for the in-person meeting
and that we ought to set appropriate expectations for everyone.

As you know, the SDD TC has been working on deliverables, the major one
being the specificaition, for quite some time and I think we've made good
progress. The meeting in New York is intended to accelerate that progress
by providing several focused days to drill down on many of the technical
issues. We will be going over all of the specification issues, examples,
proposals and discussion items. Our plan is to pretty much completely flesh
out what we are calling "conformance level 1" (the "basic"
level of specification). In other words, this is very much a "detail"
meeting as opposed to a "concept" meeting.

Hence, you might want to familiarize yourselves with the specification,
past meeting minutes, and other documents on the SDD TC Web site.

I know that sending 4 people to this meeting is a significant investment
for SAP, and so I just wanted to make sure you had a sense for the meeting
agenda. We will be discussing the detailed meeting agenda during next Wednesday's
conference call. 

If you have any questions, please let me know. If you think it would be
beneficial to have a telephone conversation, also let me know; I'd be happy
to do that. 

Thanks. 

Regards,
Brent

Brent A. Miller
STSM, Autonomic Computing Architecture
IBM Corp.
Tel. 919-543-6959 (TIE 441)

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But,
in practice, there is." 
-- Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
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Brent Miller/Raleigh/IBM

09/28/2006 08:21 AM

To	"Robsahm, Chris" <chris.robsahm@sap.com>
cc	Catherine Pleil/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, Charlie Halloran Jr/Cary/IBM@IBMUS, Christine Draper/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, David Cole/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, Julia McCarthy/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, Randy George/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
Subject	RE: Fw: SI committee meetingLink

 

Chris,

That's great!

The meeting will be held at the IBM facility at 33 Maiden Lane in the Financial District of Manhattan, New York City, NY USA. Meeting times are 1:00 - 5:00 Monday Oct. 9; 9:00 - 5:00 Tuesday Oct. 10 - Thursday Oct. 12; and 9:00 - noon Friday, Oct. 13. We will be meeting in room 02-2002 each day.

There are several hotels within walking distance (hotels in Manhattan tend to be a bit more expensive than elsewhere, but you can save some money by not needing to rent a car). My best suggestion is to use mapquest.com or mapsonus.com to locate nearby hotels that SAP might have agreements with.

Please ensure that all of the SAP participants are registered on the SDD TC roster with their appropriate status; please let me know if I can assist in doing that.

We hope that you can join our TC conference call next Wednesday, 10:00 a.m. US eastern time (details on the SDD TC calendar on the Web page).

We look forward to your participation and to meeting all of you.

Thanks.

Regards,
Brent

Brent A. Miller
STSM, Autonomic Computing Architecture
IBM Corp.
Tel. 919-543-6959 (TIE 441)

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is."
-- Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut

"Robsahm, Chris" <chris.robsahm@sap.com>

09/28/2006 07:58 AM

To	Brent Miller/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, David Cole/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
cc	Catherine Pleil/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, Charlie Halloran Jr/Cary/IBM@IBMUS, Julia McCarthy/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, Randy George/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, Christine Draper/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
Subject	RE: Fw: SI committee meeting

 

It looks like we will be able to make it to the face to face meeting.  There will be 4 members going, these will be the active members from SAP moving forward..
 
Thomas Brodkorp - Development Architect
Thomas Klink - Development Architect
Frank Heine - Senior Developer
Chris Robsahm - Development Architect.
 
Can you please send us information as to where to stay, etc?
 
Thank you,
 
Chris

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From: Brent Miller [mailto:bamiller@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:06 PM
To: David Cole
Cc: Catherine Pleil; Charlie Halloran Jr; Robsahm, Chris; Julia McCarthy;
Randy George; Christine Draper
Subject: Re: Fw: SI committee meeting


Chris, 

This is wonderful news! We welcome SAP's participation in the SDD TC.

First, let me introduce myself. I am the current chair of the SDD TC, replacing
Tom Studwell, who retired from IBM.

Logistically, you should determine who will participate in the TC and at
what level. As noted in this e-mail correspondence, there are "Observer"
and "Member" levels (along with a few others that aren't really
relevant here). To be a "Voting Member", one must first be a
"Member" and then attend at least two consecutive meetings of
the TC (which includes our weekly conference calls). Once one becomes a
"Voting Member", one remains a "Voting Member" unless
one misses two consecutive meetings of the TC (in which case voting rights
are restored after attending two consecutive meetings). By convention,
the TC has agreed that no single company will have more than 4 voting members.

Although it might be a short runway, your timing is excellent: we have
a planned in-person meeting in New York City October 9-13, and there are
two scheduled TC  calls before that meeting (tomorrow, September 27
and next Wednesday, October 4, both at 10:00 a.m. US Eastern time -- details
are on the SDD TC Web page in "Calendar"). Members would be welcome
to attend the face-to-face meeting, and if it is possible and you so choose,
you could obtain voting rights before that meeting by attending the next
two conference calls. I realize that's not a lot of notice, but it is possible.
You still could attend the in-person meeting, of course, even if you haven't
yet established voting member privilieges.

So, the next steps are to enroll the SAP participants in the TC (I see
that you already are a member...I also can change Mr. Heine's and Mr. Kilian's
status from "Observer" to "Member" if they will send
me an e-mail requesting it. You also can enroll others as Observers or
Members (again, with the caveat that the TC has agreed to a maximum of
4 voting members per company). Then, if possible, have one or more SAP
representatives attend tomorrow's and/or next Wednesday's conference call.
Finally, attend the in-person meeting Oct. 9 - 13 if you like.

I hope this helps. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you encouter
any problems or issues with the TC logistics or Web page.

Thanks, and we look forward to SAP's participation in the SDD TC.

Regards,
Brent

Brent A. Miller
STSM, Autonomic Computing Architecture
IBM Corp.
Tel. 919-543-6959 (TIE 441)

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But,
in practice, there is." 
-- Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut

David Cole/Raleigh/IBM

09/26/2006 09:43 AM

 

To	Brent Miller/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
cc	Julia McCarthy/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, Charlie Halloran Jr/Cary/IBM@IBMUS, Randy George/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, chris.robsahm@sap.com, Catherine Pleil/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
Subject	Fw: SI committee meeting

 

Brent,

Can you answer Chris' question?

Thanks,

David

Chris - wonderful news!

David L. Cole
Autonomic Computing Business Partner & Customer Programs
Relationship Manager to Macrovision Corp (formerly InstallShield)
Dept EUCA, Bldg 500/D145, RTP, NC 27709
919- 254-4113, t/l 444-4113
Notes: David Cole/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
email:  deecole@us.ibm.com
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"Robsahm, Chris" <chris.robsahm@sap.com>

09/26/2006 03:09 AM

 

To	"Thomas Studwell" <studwell@us.ibm.com>, David Cole/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
cc	Charlie Halloran Jr/Cary/IBM@IBMUS, Randy George/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
Subject	RE: Fw: SI committee meeting

 

All we now have official approval from the board to participate in the standards process.  Can someone guide me into the next steps?

Thanks,

Chris

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From: Thomas Studwell [mailto:studwell@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:02 AM
To: Robsahm, Chris
Cc: Charlie Halloran Jr; Randy George
Subject: RE: Fw: SI committee meeting

Chris,
this technical committee does not do any Open Source so Open Source should not be an issue. As long as your contribution is limited to comments on the proposed specification then the only IP (Intellectual Property) you would be contributing would be your expertise in installation requirements of your company.

Perhaps their concern is "Open Standards" but SAP is a founding member of OASIS so that should not be a concern.

To answer your question, there is no 'informal' way to participate other than as 'Observer' in which you are only able to listen, you can not contribute. The TC probably would not adjust their call-in hours to accommodate 'Observers'.

Thomas W. Studwell
Senior Technical Staff Member, Autonomic Computing Architecture
IBM Software Group
B140/Bldg 500
4205 S Miami Blvd, Durham, NC 27703
(919) 254-7574 Fax: (919) 254-7628 Mobile: (919) 619-1038
studwell@us.ibm.com

"There is a word for complaining about a problem without proposing a solution - it's called whining." Ric Telford 2006
"Robsahm, Chris" <chris.robsahm@sap.com>

"Robsahm, Chris" <chris.robsahm@sap.com>

05/30/2006 03:59 PM

 

To	Thomas Studwell/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
cc	Charlie Halloran Jr/Cary/IBM@IBMUS, Randy George/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
Subject	RE: Fw: SI committee meeting

 

Sounds great....

There has been a hitch on our side... It turns out all open source committee participation needs to be board approved, god only knows why, we are taking this to the board in July.

Is there anyway for us to informally participate until then?

Did any of our issues get raised at the committee meeting?

Thanks,

Chris

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From: Thomas Studwell [mailto:studwell@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 21:39 PM
To: Robsahm, Chris
Cc: Charlie Halloran Jr; Randy George
Subject: RE: Fw: SI committee meeting

Chris,
I wanted to let you know that the SDD TC is voting to change their teleconference time. While the ballot doesn't close until tomorrow afternoon, the current selection calls for teleconferences at Wednesday, 10AM ET, 11PM JT, 7AM PT, 3PM UK (4PM SAP time ;-) Hopefully this helps you participate on the calls.

Please let me know your membership plans.

Thomas W. Studwell
Senior Technical Staff Member, Autonomic Computing Architecture
IBM Software Group
B140/Bldg 500
4205 S Miami Blvd, Durham, NC 27703
(919) 254-7574 Fax: (919) 254-7628 Mobile: (919) 619-1038
studwell@us.ibm.com

"There is a word for complaining about a problem without proposing a solution - it's called whining." Ric Telford 2006
"Robsahm, Chris" <chris.robsahm@sap.com>

"Robsahm, Chris" <chris.robsahm@sap.com>

05/09/2006 02:37 AM

 

To	Thomas Studwell/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, Charlie Halloran Jr/Cary/IBM@IBMUS
cc	Randy George/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
Subject	RE: Fw: SI committee meeting

 

I have signed up as a contributor and I will have the others change their status. The problem is that the approval process takes a long time here. We are in the final phase where our IP lawyers need to give their final approval.

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From: Thomas Studwell [mailto:studwell@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 14:43 PM
To: Charlie Halloran Jr
Cc: Robsahm, Chris; Randy George
Subject: Re: Fw: SI committee meeting

Chris,
so far only two people from SAP have signed up for the SDD TC, Frank Heine and Frank Kilian. In both cases they signed up as "Observer", which means that they can listen to the meetings and will receive mail from the reflector but they can not contribute to the TC. You must be a full Member to be able to contribute to the meeting.

If they remain an "Observer" there isn't much point to attending the face to face meeting since they will not be able to contribute.

If they change to member status before the SDD Face to Face meeting then the face to face meeting will be valuable experience but it is very short notice for anyone to attend and it may be hard to justify at this late date.

It may be that the best value would come if the SAP members to reply via email in support of Randy George's recent submission to the TC (I will forward that email to you separately). SAP will have a lot of influence with the committee and your support would be very powerful and help speed up agreement within the TC. I can work with you on the mechanics of such a response.

The first step, however, will be to get your current participants to be members. I can change their roles to "Member" if they each send an email to sdd-chair@lists.oasis-open.org requesting that I change their role to Member.


Thomas W. Studwell
Senior Technical Staff Member, Autonomic Computing Architecture
IBM Software Group
B140/Bldg 500
4205 S Miami Blvd, Durham, NC 27703
(919) 254-7574 Fax: (919) 254-7628 Mobile: (919) 619-1038
studwell@us.ibm.com

"There is a word for complaining about a problem without proposing a solution - it's called whining." Ric Telford 2006
Charlie Halloran Jr/Cary/IBM

Charlie Halloran Jr/Cary/IBM

05/08/2006 12:24 AM

 

To	Thomas Studwell/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
cc	"Robsahm, Chris" <chris.robsahm@sap.com>
Subject	Fw: SI committee meeting

 

Tom,
This is your call..
Thanks,
Charlie

Charlie Halloran Jr cwh@us.ibm.com
Autonomic Computing 8-441-0397 (919)543-0397

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"Robsahm, Chris" <chris.robsahm@sap.com>

05/05/2006 02:55 AM

 

To	Charlie Halloran Jr/Cary/IBM@IBMUS
cc	"Kilian, Frank" <frank.kilian@sap.com>, "Heine, Frank" <frank.heine@sap.com>
Subject	SI committee meeting

 

Charlie - Unfortunately we have some scheduling conflict during the time the face to face meeting is taking place. This is the week that a Macrovision consultant is coming to SAP for IA training and to help convert our current ISMP install to IA. This is a very important project for SAP and I can not miss it. I think we have two options.

1) We can meet with you and key members afterwards, perhaps in June.

2) I could try to get one of the members Frank Heine to attend, however I would only entertain this option if you think it is critical that we attend in person.

Please let me know your thoughts,

Thanks.

Chris