RE: [soa-rm-ra] SOA-RA(F) reorganization

[Danny Thornton <danny_thornton2@yahoo.com>]

I added my comments to Bob's governance document.  I haven't been keeping up with the sections on governance and management for the past several months.  The document has come a long way since the last time I reviewed governance and management.

Danny

--- On Sun, 4/12/09, Ellinger, Robert S (IS) <robert.ellinger@ngc.com> wrote:

> From: Ellinger, Robert S (IS) <robert.ellinger@ngc.com>
> Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] SOA-RA(F) reorganization
> To: "James Odell" <email@jamesodell.com>, soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 10:29 AM
> Please take a look at the following reorganization.
> I started with the sections in red as reorganized in the
> Revised outline
> (attached).
> Then I commenced a complete edit/restructuring of those
> sections.  I
> couldn't help myself and did some wordsmithing,
> hopefully for
> readability.  I do not intend for the result to be THE
> finished product,
> but I hope it communicates more clearly with the
> uninitiated reader.
> Additionally, again I couldn't help myself, I reduced
> the number of
> headings substantially--Sorry Ken.
> 
> Bob
> 
> I hope we can talk about it on Wednesday.
> 
> Bob
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Odell [mailto:email@jamesodell.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:39 PM
> To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] SOA-RA(F) reorganization
> 
> Rex,
> 
> Yes, I agree.  A section for Policies outside Contract --
> in addition to
> the leaving a  Policies and Contracts -- makes good sense
> to me.
> 
> Ciao,
> Jim
> 
> On 4/11/09 7:41 PM, "Rex Brooks" indited:
> 
> > Than ks Jim,
> > 
> > I agree about Policies pertaining to more than just
> contracts. I think
> 
> > our focus on crossing organizational boundaries tends
> to make us think
> 
> > along those lines more than we would if we were more
> focused within an
> 
> > enterprise boundary. Role policies, for instance, are
> more routine 
> > within an enterprise, and rules for what happens when
> events are 
> > reported are often more prescribed.
> > 
> > I'd just add a section for Policies outside
> Contract context.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Rex
> > 
> > At 5:46 PM -0400 4/11/09, James Odell wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >> 
> >> After yet another reading of the SOA-RA
> (Foundation?) and having sat 
> >> through the recent spate of meetings, I have the
> following say about 
> >> the reorganization of the SOA-RA:
> >> 
> >> Overall, I think that the chapters and topics are
> sequenced in a 
> >> coherent and logical manner.  Perhaps, it is
> because I read it too 
> >> many times now.  But, I don't think so.
> >> Also, I understand the need to minimize the amount
> of work needed on 
> >> the SOA-RA at this point in its development.  We
> need to get it 
> >> released for public comment - without compromising
> quality and 
> >> understandability, of course.
> >> Having said this, the only thing that bothers me
> enough to suggest a 
> >> reorganizational change is the area of Policies:
> >> 
> >> 1)  Policies, in general, are depicted in document
> far earlier than 
> >> they are finally addressed (by 40-50 pages). 
> Since policies - IMO - 
> >> are an important ingredient in the SOA-RA, I would
> like to see them 
> >> addressed earlier.  (My personal opinion is that
> policies are not 
> >> mentioned anywhere near the amount that they
> should. For example, 
> >> they are used in events, composition of services,
> roles, and 
> >> organizations.  However, since this would involve
> additions to the 
> >> current document, I will not push this)
> >> 
> >> 2) I strongly dislike grouping the entire topic
> with contracts.
> >> While policies are used for contracts, Policy is a
> standalone concept
> 
> >> - which neither depends on nor is used solely with
> Contract.
> >> (Even the OMG and W3C treat policies as a separate
> notion.)  Why is 
> >> this reasonable?  Because policies are used in a
> variety of 
> >> situations - only one of which is contracts.  By
> placing Policies in 
> >> lock step with (and almost subordinate to) with
> Contracts is not 
> >> appropriate, IMO.
> >> 
> >> 3) My suggestion: separate Policies and Contracts
> into two distinct 
> >> subsections (e.g., 4.4 and 4.5).
> >> 
> >> In short, this would provide clarity for the
> notion of Policy and not
> 
> >> require much change to the current document.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> All the best,
> >> 
> >> Jim
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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