RE: [ubl-tsc] Re: TSC Action Item FollowUp

["Andrew Schoka" <AMSchoka@comcast.net>]

Roberto,
Thank you for your probing question. I suspect that Tim has an opinion on
this as the one proposing the consolidated definition. Others may have
additional views. A further question might be is the definition for the UBL
Shipment ASBIE context dependent or should context be reflected in some
modifier of Shipment?

I will also need to ask someone more knowledgeable on OASIS process
regarding how we move this topic to resolution. (Tim, Jon?)

Andy


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Subject: [ubl-tsc] Re: TSC Action Item FollowUp

The CEFACT 'shipment' definition is correct for a generic shipment meaning.

But when the Seller (Shipper) make use of an International Forwarder to 
organize the shipment on his behalf we have a "shipment contract".
The "shipment contract" is something different from a "commercial 
contract" and of course not a "transport contract".

Is the UBL Shipment ASBIE a:
     1) generic container with general shipment information
     2) a "shipment contract" detail
     3) or both ?

Just a question.

Thanks

UBL ITLSC co-chair
Roberto Cisternino

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hvmaaren@cetima.nl ha scritto:
> Dear Andy,
>
> Within UN/CEFACT (agreed by both transport and trade) the word 
> shipment refers
> to the collection of goods items between the seller and the buyer under a
> commercial contract, and the word consignment is used for the 
> collection of
> goods items between the consignor and the consignee under a transport 
> contract.
>
> I recommend the UBL-TSC to follow the same mechanism for consistency 
> reasons.
> A shipment certainly is not a set of arrangements.
>
> Regards,
>
> Henk van Maaren
>
> Quoting Andrew Schoka <AMSchoka@comcast.net>:
>
>> Dear TSC members,
>>
>>
>>
>> During our last telecon we ran out of time to discuss an action that 
>> we had
>> been given from the TC. The action item from the TC is as follows:
>>
>>
>>
>> UPDATE PACKAGE: JPLSC COMMENTS
>>
>>   ACTION (12/18): AS to get answer from TSC regarding JPLSC
>>
>>   comment 25.
>>
>>
>>
>> JPLSC comment 25 to the 2.0 update package is as follows:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Category
>>
>> Business Document or ABIE
>>
>> BIE
>>
>> Questions, Comments
>>
>>
>> Transportation
>>
>> BillOfLading
>>
>> Waybill
>>
>> Shipment (ASBIE)
>>
>> The definitions of Shipment (ASBIE) in BillOfLading and Waybill are
>> differrent each other,
>>
>> We think that these definitions should be same.
>>
>> Definition (BillOfLading): Information about the separately identifiable
>> collection of goods items (available to be) transported from one 
>> consignor
>> to one consignee via one or more modes of transport.
>>
>> Definition (Waybill): A separately identifiable collection of goods 
>> items
>> (available to be) transported from one consignor to one consignee via 
>> one or
>> more modes of transport.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it is appropriate that there be consistency across the various
>> documents when the same ASBIEs are identified and their definitions 
>> used.
>> With regard to the definition of Shipment, I believe that we have 
>> previously
>> had an email exchange and a telecon discussion regarding an appropriate
>> definition. Based upon a contribution by Tim McGrath and subsequent
>> discussions, I propose that we adopt the definition we last discussed
>> presented in a grammatically correct form.
>>
>>
>>
>> o          SHIPMENT
>>
>> The arrangements necessary for an identifiable collection of one or more
>> goods items to be transported between the original consignor and the
>> ultimate consignee. This information represents what is required, 
>> that is a
>> "logical" or contractual view. A shipment can be transported in 
>> different
>> consignments (eg split for logistical purposes).
>>
>>
>>
>> I propose that this be the resolution of the action item. If I don't 
>> receive
>> a response within 7 days, I will presume concurrence. Jon will then 
>> use this
>> definition wherever the definition of shipment is used.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andy Schoka
>>
>> Acting Chair TSC
>>
>>
>>
>>
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