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Subject: [VER 2] WS-SX TC Minutes, Mar 28 2006


Added roll call.

WS-SX TC Minutes, Mar 29 2006

Summary of new Action items:

AI-2006-03-29-01 Gudge owes Prateek a response (to message 82) for issue 33.

AI-2006-03-29-02 Tony Gullota to provide further examples illustrating issue 48 in time for the F2F.

AI-2006-03-29-03 Martin Raepple will provide text for new section from issue 41 before the F2F.

AI-2006-03-29-04 Marc Goodner to update interop doc with resolution of issue 47 before F2F.

1. Call to order/roll call

Present:
Jong Lee, BEA Systems, Inc.* 
Corinna Witt, BEA Systems, Inc.* 
Symon Chang, Blue Titan Software* 
Steve Anderson, BMC Software* 
Rich Levinson, Computer Associates* 
Yakov Sverdlov, Computer Associates* 
Dana Kaufman, Forum Systems, Inc.* 
Toshihiro Nishimura, Fujitsu Limited* 
Greg Whitehead, Hewlett-Packard* 
Paula Austel, IBM* 
Ching-Yun (C.Y.) Chao, IBM* 
Henry (Hyenvui) Chung, IBM* 
Heather Hinton, IBM* 
Michael McIntosh, IBM* 
Anthony Nadalin, IBM* 
Mike Lyons, Layer 7 Technologies Inc.* 
Jan Alexander, Microsoft Corporation* 
Paul Cotton, Microsoft Corporation* 
Colleen Evans, Microsoft Corporation* 
Vijay Gajjala, Microsoft Corporation* 
Marc Goodner, Microsoft Corporation* 
Martin Gudgin, Microsoft Corporation* 
Jonathan Marsh, Microsoft Corporation* 
Asir Vedamuthu, Microsoft Corporation* 
Norman Brickman, Mitre Corporation* 
Jeff Hodges, Neustar, Inc.* 
Frederick Hirsch, Nokia Corporation* 
Abbie Barbir, Nortel Networks Limited* 
Paul Knight, Nortel Networks Limited* 
Lloyd Burch, Novell* 
Steve Carter, Novell* 
Howard Bae, Oracle Corporation* 
Ashok Malhotra, Oracle Corporation* 
Prateek Mishra, Oracle Corporation* 
Alex Hristov, Otecia Incorporated* 
Martin Raepple, SAP AG* 
Werner Dittmann, Siemens AG* 
Tony Gullotta, SOA Software Inc.* 
Jiandong Guo, Sun Microsystems* 
Hans Granqvist, VeriSign *

2. Reading/Approving minutes of last meeting (Mar 22)
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200603/msg00091.html  

Adopted unanimously.

3. TC Logistics (10 minutes or less)
- Proposal that this meeting be 1 hour to allow WS-I BSP to meet
Agreed unanimously.

- F2F need to confirm one last time attendance/dietary needs
See information provided in for F2F logistics:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200602/msg00131.html  �

Please vote on the whether or not you will attend so there is an accurate count for catering etc.

There were no questions about the F2F arrangements.

4. Issues list 
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-sx/issues/Issues.xml  

a) Review of action items

ai-09 - Editors to check that XPath examples in WS-SecurityPolicy are fully namespace qualified.

See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200603/msg00093.html  �
Leave open until can be investigated further.

AI-2006-02-15-04 - Prateek to propose resolution to Issue 20 before F2F 
Ongoing

AI-2006-02-15-07 - TC members to come to the April F2F with data on when they would be ready to carry out SC/Trust interop. 
Ongoing.

AI-2006-03-08-02 - Mike to provide better description(s) and a complete proposal(s) for issue 016 and issue 017 by the F2F meeting. 

Ongoing, will be done by then.

AI-2006-03-08-05 - Frederick to provide alternative proposal for Issue 36 for the Mar 15 meeting. 

DONE. See resolution from March 22nd minutes: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200603/msg00091.html 

AI-2006-03-15-01 - Gudge and Prateek to draft a new section "Guidance on creating New Token Assertions and Token Assertion Extensibility" for review by the TC (for issue 30). 

In progress.

AI-2006-03-22-01 - Tony Nadalin to provide information on where the UML generated schema might be more restrictive than the SP schema. 

Ongoing.

AI-2006-03-22-02 - Prateek Mishra to expand his additional scenarios to define the message RSTR's for the Bearer Assertion and HoK Assertions and to show where they are actually different.

Ongoing. Follow up discussion on the list.

b) Issues in Review status

i003� Use of term "binding" in specs 
i009� Support for different key pairs for sign and encrypt in SP 
i010� Proof of possesion for security intermediaries 
i023� Properties for Algorithm Suite missing or wrong�� 
i025� Chap. 6.5 [Token protection] conflicts with chapter 8.3 and 8.4 
i026� Chapter 6.7 [Security Header Layout] 
i027� When to include a token? 
i029� Which token to use to encrypt/sign in case of multiple tokens defined in a supporting token assertion?
i032� WS-SP should permit Policy to specify the use of keys derived from passwords
i034� Editorial comments on WS-Trust
i036� Clarify term pre-authentication�� 
i037� Add element extensibility to RequestSecurityTokenResponseCollection/IssuedTokens
i038� Clarify that ComputedKey optional� 
i040� What values can be carried in a /wst:RequestSecurityToken/wst:Claims element?�� 
i045� Duplicate Id attribute values in Security Context example�� 
i049� Clarify that [Algorithm Suite] applies to message level cryptography and NOT transport-level cryptography 
i050� Clarify scope of Protection assertions� 

TC agreed to add review to the F2F agenda.

c) New issues� 

i051 sp:RequireDerivedKeys is underspecified
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200603/msg00101.html 

There is a proposal, TC members should be prepared to discuss at F2F.

d) Active issues

i004� Paul Cotton� Transitive closure spec dependencies 
Pending. Due before F2F.
� 
i008� Editors� Need well formed XML examples�� 
Pending. Should be done by the F2F.

i016� Michael McIntosh� sp:SignedParts mechanism 

ACTION 2006-03-08-02 Mike to provide better description(s) and a
complete proposal(s) for issue 016 and issue 017 by the F2F meeting.

Pending. 
� 
i018� Michael McIntosh� absolute XPath expressions�� 

ACTION 2006-03-08-02 Mike to provide better description(s) and a
complete proposal(s) for issue 016 and issue 017 by the F2F meeting. 

Pending.
� 
i020�� Describe minimum acceptable lengths for P_SHA1 inputs�� 

AI-2006-02-15-04 - Prateek to propose resolution to Issue 20 before F2F 

Pending.� 

i028� Werner Dittmann� Multiple supporting tokens of the same type?

See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200603/msg00079.html

AI-2006-03-22-01 - Tony Nadalin to provide information on where the UML generated schema might be more restrictive than the SP schema. 

i030�� Need a mechanism to identify token assertions�� 

Should be covered by Gudge and Prateek's action item:
AI-2006-03-15-01 - Gudge and Prateek to draft a new section "Guidance on creating New Token Assertions and Token Assertion Extensibility" for review by the TC (for issue 30).

i031�� Clarification for UsernameToken assertion 

Pending on Issue 30.� 
�� 
i033� Identify security header components that are encrypted�� 

No discussion by email has occurred since last week's meeting.

AI-2006-03-29-01 Gudge owes Prateek a response (to message 82) for issue 33. 
Unlikely to be done before F2F.

i044�  What is an authorization token? 

See Tony's message (url not available yet)
Authorization Token - Security token indicating a claimaint's entitlement.

i048�� Binding Assertions should support Operation subjects� 

AI-2006-03-29-02 Tony Gullota to provide further examples illustrating issue 48 in time for the F2F. 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200603/msg00085.html

Tony Gullota's proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200603/msg00065.html  

e) Pending Issues
i041� Clarification on token propagation of SCT required� ws-sc� design�� 

AI-2006-03-29-03 Martin Raepple will provide text for new section from issue 41 before the F2F.

i043� Missing enumeration for validate request type in the RequestTypeEnumdefinition�� 

i047� Does IssuedTokenOverTransport require client-side digital signature?� 

AI-2006-03-29-04 Marc Goodner to update interop doc with resolution of issue 47 before F2F.

5. Other business 

a) F2F agenda discussion.
Need time for interop scenarios discussion.
No other requests for items on the agenda.

b) Discussion of Prateek's interop scenarios.
Mail discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200603/msg00092.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200603/msg00099.html

Tony would like to see a case of an unsigned bearer token.
Some disagreement as to how common or not this is.
Clarification, Tony sees the message being signed which covers the token.

Chris wants clarification on differences between message flows, not the message payloads.

Greg is concerned that SP needs ability to indicate signing of bearer tokens.

Discussion of difference between modeling uses of the protocol from message flows.

Discussion of need for a single interop doc and agreement of selected scenarios.

Discussion will continue at the F2F.

6. Adjournment 

The meeting adjourned at about 10:00am EST.

Marc Goodner
Technical Diplomat
Microsoft Corporation
Tel: (425) 703-1903
Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/mrgoodner/ 



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