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Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename "entity" to" portlet"
Current discussion summary ... terms have been proposed with various
problems noted:
entity - too general
portlet - this term is commonly used to describe the "code" that implements
a "portlet" interface ... the spec currently anticipates multiple
configurations of such code ....
portlet instance - Raises concepts of the runtime instantiation of portlet
code.
portlet entity - No issues raised ... would be same usage as JSR168
Rich Thompson
Eilon Reshef
<eilon.reshef@webc To: "'Thomas Schaeck'" <SCHAECK@de.ibm.com>, "'Gil Tayar'"
ollage.com> <Gil.Tayar@webcollage.com>
cc: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
12/11/2002 04:55 Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename "entity" to
PM " portlet"
I would try to shy away from the word "instance" which had already caused
us weeks of frustration... :-)
My two cents,
Eilon
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Schaeck [mailto:SCHAECK@de.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:42 AM
To: Gil Tayar
Cc: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename "entity"
to " portlet"
Importance: Low
Hi Gil,
you may have misinterpreted my last mail - I agreed that both can be
named
the same, my proposal was to name both something like "portlet
instances"
or better "portlet entities" rather than just "portlet".
That would resolve my concern and still use consistent naming for
CCEs and
POEs.
Best regards,
Thomas
Gil Tayar <Gil.Tayar@webcollage.com> on 12/11/2002 05:54:06 AM
To: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
cc:
Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename
"entity" to
" portlet"
Spec-wise, using the term "portlet" for both CCEs _and_ POEs is
exactly
right, because they are nearly identical. Using a _different_ term,
spec-wise, may be the confusing thing - confusing the reader that
there is
an inherent difference between the two (where, spec-wise, there
isn't).
I agree with you that application-wise, there _will_ be a difference
between
CCEs and POEs (POEs are the "types" and CCEs are the instances). But
we are
concerned with the spec, and the spec MUST be adamant - there is
little
difference between the two - they are both "portlets".
Gil
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Schaeck [mailto:SCHAECK@de.ibm.com]
Sent: Tue, December 10, 2002 21:28
To: Gil Tayar
Cc: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename "entity"
to
" portlet"
My concern primarily was that using the term "portlet" for consumer
configured entities would be confusing. (Since in various portals
POEs will
be selectable as "portlets" from some kind of toolbar or customizer I
was
not equally concerned about producer offered entities to be named
portlets.)
Since it is true that POEs technically are not different from CCEs,
we
might name both "portlet instances" or better "portlet entities".
Best regards,
Thomas
Gil Tayar <Gil.Tayar@webcollage.com> on 12/10/2002 06:47:56 AM
To: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
cc:
Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename
"entity" to
" portlet"
Exactly. Also, the differentiation between POEs and CCEs is
artificial, and
the doesn't differentiate between the two except for the fact that a
Consumer can delete only CCEs, and that POE descriptions are returned
in
getServiceDescription.
One could argue that a POE is a "portlet type" - a prototype for
CCEs. The
problem is that the spec doesn't say anything about this. Can't I
have two
"stock quotes" POEs, which both map to the same "portlet type", but
pre-configured _by the Producer_? Of course. What is the difference
between
those two and a Consumer-configured entity which takes one of the two
above
POEs and configures it? None.
Meaning POEs and CCEs are both "portlets" (POPs and CCPs).
And Rich, maybe it is time to start talking about "portlet instances"
as
those transient things (ouch!) that become unique at runtime (I like
that
phrase!).
Gil
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Thompson [mailto:richt2@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Mon, December 09, 2002 20:30
To: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename "entity"
to
"portlet"
Subbu is right, you can have multiple instances of an entity on a
page
regardless of whether it is Producer Offered or Consumer Configured.
Those
instances become unique in a transient manner at runtime, but start
from
the same persistent configuration each time.
Rich Thompson
Interaction Middleware and Standards for Portal Server
IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Yorktown Heights, NY
(914) 945-3225
richt2@us.ibm.com
Thomas
Schaeck@IBMDE To: Subbu
Allamaraju
<subbu@bea.com>
cc: Rich
Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS,
12/09/2002 01:06
wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
PM From: Thomas
Schaeck/Germany/IBM@IBMDE
Subject: Re:
[wsrp-wsia]
[I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename
"entity" to
"portlet"(Document link: Rich Thompson)
In many portals, "portlet" is used for what you can select in the
customizer (this corresponds to "producer offered entity") and
someting
like "portlet instance", "portlet occurrance" or "portlet entity"
(JSR 168)
is used for the instances of such portlets on pages (this corresponds
to
"consumer configured entity").
Best regards,
Thomas
Subbu Allamaraju <subbu@bea.com> on 12/09/2002 07:00:05 PM
To: Thomas Schaeck/Germany/IBM@IBMDE
cc: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS, wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename
"entity" to
"portlet"
Thomas Schaeck wrote:
> We have to be very careful here since we have two different kinds
of
> entities - it would make sense to rename "producer offered
entities" to
> "portlets", but I don't think it would make sense to use the term
"portlet"
> for "consumer configures entity".
But since a consumer configured entity is similar to a producer
offered
entity outside the entity management interface, why does the same
term
not apply to such entities? Am I missing something?
Regards,
Subbu
>
> Best regards,
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
> Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS on 12/09/2002 06:33:29 PM
>
> To: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
> cc:
> Subject: Re: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename
"entity"
to
> "portlet"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This was a question we said at the Nov F2F that we would allow to
sit for
a
> few weeks. Seeing as there have been no replies to this issue, I
propose
> that we resolve it by renaming entities to portlets throughout the
spec.
> This aligns with the name of the spec and thereby will help guide
the
> spec's readers.
>
> Rich Thompson
>
>
>
>
> Gil Tayar
> <Gil.Tayar@webcol To:
> wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
> lage.com> cc:
> Subject:
[wsrp-wsia]
> [I#154] Rename "entity" to "portlet" or
> 11/24/2002 06:50 "portlet type"
> AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Issue: 154
> Status: Active
> Topic: general
> Class: Technical
> Raised by: Eilon Reshef
> Title: Rename "entity" to "portlet" or "portlet type"
> Date Added: 7-Nov-2002
> Document Section:
> Description:
> As the word "entity" is too general, and because we have finally
given a
> name to the thing that we are "showing", why not rename entity to
"portlet"
> or "portlet type"
>
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