Re: [xliff] Simplified XLIFF element tree

[Andrzej Zydron <azydron@xtm-intl.com>]

  Hi Yves,

Thank you for your reply. As always it is full of insight and wisdom. We 
indeed map <tm:te> elements to <group> and <tm:tu> to <trans-unit>. You 
can use a simple XSLT transformation to generate the resultant XLIFF 
file. It is a beautifully elegant solution based completely on Open 
Standards:

1. If the input format is not in XML convert it losslesly to XML
2. Use W3C ITS rules for the document type to identify translatable text 
and attributes as well as 'within text' and subflow elements
3. Use SRX to segment the text
4. Use xml:tm to seed the document with the xml:tm namespace
5. Generate the XLIFF file from the xml:tm version of the file
6. Use GMX/V for all metrics

After translation you can reverse the steps. Recreation of the target 
file can also be done via XSLT. This provides a completely modular and 
open framework where you can access the data at any point.

I have nothing against an optional <ext-trans> element for systems that 
do not pre-segment.

In our use of XLIFF I could not countenance a change to the segmentation 
that has been generated. This is a fundamental point, that will be 
common for all systems that pre-segment text. We expect a translation 
for every <trans-unit>, allowing only merging within the bounds of a 
<group> element.

I see no reason to change the way we use XLIFF, which is a fundamental 
part of our architecture and works EXTREMELY well. We use a very small 
and efficient subset of XLIFF, which is very much in keeping with our 
discussions.

Best Regards,

AZ

On 24/08/2010 13:39, Yves Savourel wrote:
> Hi Andrzej,all,
>
>> We use the<group>  element to signify major
>> element boundaries so as to be able to prevent
>> attempts at merging<trans-unit>  elements across
>> such boundaries.
> I don't know xml:tm very well, but looking at the specification and examples it would seems that files with xml:tm can work with other representations than<group>+<trans-unit>. It's just a matter of mapping<tm:te>  to the extracted text and<tm:tu>  to the segments, just like for XLIFF 1.2<tm:te>  are mapped to<group>  and<tm:tu>  mapped to<trans-unit>.
>
> Cheers,
> -ys
>
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