So on to content models in the live converter...
Carlos' examples tend to follow the convention of including a p
wrapper inside list items and definition components. I added a
look-ahead in these contexts to add a p wrapper if the first node
was not a p node, and this now works equally either way for
samples like this:
<article>
<h1>The point of it all</h1>
<p>I can sum it up here</p>
<p>I can say some more stuff</p>
<section>
<h2>Stuff</h2>
<p>And so on</p>
<ul> <li>This</li>
<li>Is></li> <li>A List</li>
</ul>
</section>
<section-example>
<h2>And more stuff</h2>
<p>With its own explanation</p>
<dl>
<dt>No para in HTML</dt> <dd>No para in
HTML</dd>
<dt><p>With para</p></dt>
<dd><p>with para</p></dd>
</dl>
</section-example>
</article>
(try this in the paste box to see the lw topic result)
But this brings up a question: can list items and definition
descriptions only have one paragraph? That is what this tool will
do (or wrap the mixed content example in a possibly redundant
paragraph). I think it is a blessing to remove syntactic
complexity from student authors, so I hope the HDITA minimal case
can relax the required paragraph burden, but tools then need to
have the right remediations for going into XDITA.
I realize that Markdown has no such ambiguity because you cannot
start a list item with a required paragraph anyway. In the
Markdown case, then, do you get only the one inner paragraph
implied by the XDITA requirement?
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Don
On 5/11/2016 8:16 AM, Carlos Evia
wrote:
Oh I had some Polymer nightmares last year, but I think most
browsers play with custom tags now. Safari still doesn’t… but that
probably will change soon.
I like that Don’s http://ditax.ml/hd/ experiment
allows an author to enter an <article> without any fancy
custom tags and the result is a generic DITA topic. Jarno’s
Markdown plugin does something similar: an author can create a
Markdown file without fancy classes or extensions, and the
result is a generic DITA topic.
Of course, then authors can specialize to concept,
task, reference as needed… but this gives people a Lightweight
DITA base architecture (think of the “Why three editions?” white
paper that came with DITA 1.3). You can be a casual contributor
and create a simple topic in Markdown or HTML5 and then someone
else will mix it with XDITA or DITA. That’s an excellent way to
make Lightweight DITA accesible (and easy) before getting into
complicated markup/markdown like what we saw in the Bluemix
examples.
Carlos
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Director of Professional and Technical
Writing
Associate Professor of Technical
Communication
Department of English
Center for Human-Computer Interaction
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0112
(540)200-8201
On May 10, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Mark Giffin <> wrote:
Hi Michael,
If you are talking about custom tags as in late-model
W3C web components, a custom tag can be pretty
lightweight, since the browser itself will support
this capability (not sure if all major browsers turn
them on by default yet). You don't have to load an
external library necessarily. It needs a bit of
_javascript_ that can be inside the HTML file itself.
I'm not sure about performance, I'm sure it depends on
what you're doing.
Google's Polymer requires substantial external
libraries and Polymer often gets confused with W3C web
components because it's related, but I'm not talking
about Polymer. I recall some info about Polymer having
some performance problems but that was a year ago.
This page gives a simple example of a W3C custom
element with some CSS to style it.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Web_Components/Custom_Elements
Please excuse if I completely misunderstood your
question!
Mark Giffin
Mark Giffin Consulting, Inc.
http://markgiffin.com/
On 5/10/2016 12:47 PM, Michael Priestley wrote:
How much freight does custom tags add to a
displayable HTML page? Is there any impact on
performance?
Michael Priestley, Senior Technical Staff Member
(STSM)
Enterprise Content Technology Strategist
http://dita.xml.org/blog/michael-priestley
From: Carlos Evia <>
To:
Date: 05/10/2016 02:46 PM
Subject: [dita-lightweight-dita]
Refactoring HDITA with custom tags
Sent by: <>
Apologies (in advance) but I
won't make it to the 05/16 call. Continuing the
conversation about refactoring HDITA, I wonder how
much mixing of HTML5 custom tags (Don's proposal)
and custom data attributes (Michael's original
approach) we should keep. I have been experimenting
with Don's approach to extend HTML5's native
elements to mimic XDITA/DITA tags, and I really
think we should explore that as HDITA's evolution
path. It makes authoring much easier than having to
remember the data attributes.
I compare here both approaches
with the proto-example included in the Technical
Communication paper I wrote with Michael:
Current HDITA model (based on
Michael's 2014 idea)
<article
data-hd-class="task">
<h1>How to do
something</h1>
<p>Introduction to
this specific task</p>
<section
data-hd-class="task/context">
<p>Use only when
ready</p>
</section>
<section
data-hd-class="task/steps-informal">
<ol>
<li><p>Plan
something</p></li>
<li><p>Do
something</p></li>
<li><p>Evaluate
something</p></li>
</ol>
</section>
<section
data-hd-class="topic/example">
<p>Like this</p>
</section>
</article>
My aberrant take on Don's
proposed use of custom tags:
<article-task>
<h1>How to do
something</h1>
<p>Introduction to this
specific task</p>
<section-context>
<p>Use only when
ready</p>
</section-context>
<section-steps>
<ol>
<li><p>Plan
something</p></li>
<li><p>Do
something</p></li>
<li><p>Evaluate
something</p></li>
</ol>
</section-steps>
<section-example>
<p>Like this</p>
</section-example>
</article-task>
Is there a third way that
combines both approaches? What would we gain? Right
now, moving to custom tags will only break a) my
former students' projects, and b) Jarno's HDITA
plug-in (which was pretty much his experimental
contribution to our DITA NA presentation this year).
If this is a good idea, we (I)
can work on re-mapping HDITA and new examples....
and then we can move on to the headache of MarkDITA,
MDITA or however we want to call the Markdown flavor
of Lightweight DITA.
Comments?
---
Carlos
Evia, Ph.D.
Director
of Professional and Technical Writing
Associate
Professor of Technical Communication
Department
of English
Center
for Human-Computer Interaction
Virginia
Tech
Blacksburg,
VA 24061-0112
(540)200-8201
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DITA
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