FW: DITA Open Toolkit sample files worked okay with thexliffRoundTrip tool (was FW: Translation Workflow)

See the attached information from Bryan Schnabel and 
Rodolfo Raya.

JoAnn

 

From: Rodolfo M. Raya 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:25 
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JoAnn Hackos; ; 

Subject: Re: DITA Open Toolkit 
sample files worked okay with thexliffRoundTrip tool (was FW: Translation 
Workflow)

On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 17:38 -0700,  
wrote:

Hi Don,

I'm sorry that it took me months, 
  instead of days to do the test you asked for. You asked me to download the 
  samples from the DITA Open Toolkit, and try them in my xliffRoundTrip Tool, to 
  see what we get.

I finally did that. I found that I could do them 
  easily enough, one at a time. But I found it better to modify the program a 
  little bit to do several at a time. I cooked up a little commandline routine 
  that reads the mapfile in the sample directory, creates one XLIFF file (with a 
  <file> element for each file), runs a little pseudo translation, then 
  transforms the pseudo-translated XLIFF file back into the appropriate 
  translated DITA chunks.

I zipped the application and sent it to you, 
  along with a powerpoint file that kind of walks you through it. (sorry for the 
  large zip file; I included the jar file for Saxon 8, because the modification 
  required XSLT 2.0)

In glancing at some of the recent DITA SC notes, it 
  looks like Andrzej and Rodolfo are making an actual tool to that will do the 
  job (I'm sure much better than my little test application).

But it was 
  kind of fun to run the file through and see what came out. 

You're 
  welcome to try the little sample I sent for kicks if you want. Again, I'm very 
  sorry I wasn't able to get right on 
this.

Thanks,

Bryan

Hi Bryan,

Good 
work!

Checking the XLIFF file that you sent I found segments like 
this:

                
<trans-unit id="d3e5" 
xmrk:ancs="1">
                  
<source>
                     
<x id="prolog-x-mch2-d3e5" 
xmrk:ancs="1"/>
                  
</source>
                  
<target>
                     
<x id="prolog-x-mch2-d3e5" 
xmrk:ancs="1"/>
                  
</target>
               
</trans-unit>

Would it be possible to avoid creating a segment 
with only an inline tag in it?

I also noticed that you copied source text 
to target. Is it possible to leave the target element empty or to omit the 
target element? If not, could  the state attribute of the target be set to 
a value that indicates that it is a dummy target? 

A TM engine may not 
add translations to a segment if the target is not empty. Without state 
indication, the TM engine cannot tell if the text in the target is bad and can 
be overwritten or if the text is a good translation. Also, it would be easier to 
apply segmentation rules to a segment if there isn't a target to worry about. 
Additional segmentation will be necessary, as the stylesheet creates segments at 
block level, not at sentence level.

The attachment contains a set of 
individual XLIFF files that I generated from the the DITA samples and a unified 
XLIFF with all segments. The larger XLIFF was generated merging the individual 
files from the translation project, keeping one <file> element for each 
DITA document. All files were segmented at sentence level.

Best 
regards,
Rodolfo

  
  

    
      
        
        

          
            
              
              

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dita_xliff.zip

steps.zip

DITA-XLIFF_round_trip.zip