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MEETING MINUTES -- 13 December 2005 -- DITA TECHNICAL COMMITTEE
Title: MEETING MINUTES -- 13 December 2005 -- DITA TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES -- 13 December 2005 -- DITA TECHNICAL COMMITTEE (Minutes taken by Seraphim Larsen <>) DITA Technical Committee website: - Public: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=dita - Members only: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/ Roll call - We have quorum! Review/approve minutes from previous meeting: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/download.php/15806/TC-Meeting-Minutes-2005-12-06.txt (Dec 6) - Given that Seraphim will remove the dialogue on Item #38, Don Day moves that we accept the minutes as read. - Sharon Veach seconds - No objections - Minutes approved by acclamation New/housecleaning: - Translation focus, upcoming activities: - Don -- We don't have any certification regarding DITA's translation-supporting characteristics - For 12/20 meeting, we've lined up Andrzej Zydron to spend some time discussing this. Dec 20 15 min with Andrzej Zydron on xml:tm and translation best practices - For 1/17 meeting, Yves Savourel will present something on translation best practices. Jan 17 presentation, discussion/review with Yves Savourel (W3C ITS) - Don -- - These presentations will take place within the DITA TC meeting - It's also OK to invite other people from member companies to attend as observers to see these presentations - Bruce -- Is there a limit of the number of people who can join the call? - Don -- Yes, about 70 lines, so, if you have 20 people from your company or something like that, maybe you can set up a bridge, or let Don know ahead of time - ACTION *** for Don to send meeting information to the TC list, with a summary of who these people are, and dial-in information for the meetings Actions/status from last week: - New template for 1.1 - Draft has been completed and posted to the TC doc repository http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/download.php/15905/design-numXX.zip Review "left off the list" and unnumbered proposals for 1.1 scope: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200512/msg00010.html The items left behind by not being explicitly designated for the 1.1 cutoff include: - Procedure -- Go through each one, get consensus, and do one final vote at the end. #7 reconcile metadata elements in topics versus maps - Michael Priestley (MP) -- let's keep it in 1.1 (he then tried to make the case why we should do that) - Don -- OK, consensus is to keep this in 1.1A - KEEP in 1.1 #13 Create containers for steps and other elements - Don -- this one is done. This is already an architected solution in one of the other proposals. - DROP from 1.1, already covered in other proposals #46 Allow substeps to be used as steps elsewhere - Michael -- Point to #19 as our workaround for this, taking it off the list for 1.1 for now. #19 makes it possible to do this in the future, possibly also in combination with some stuff in #17. - Don -- Thus, this one is off the list for 1.1. - Paul Prescod -- Need to make a distinction between items we are dropping because (1) We are solving them in other ways, (2) We are not solving them at all, (3) We are deferring solution to the future. - Don -- Again, this one is closed because it is solved via one of the other proposals already in the works. - DROP from 1.1, already covered in other proposals #1 Keyword (semantic role of keyword) - Don -- Based on Paul Prescod's analysis, we will defer this one to post 1.1. - DROP from 1.1, deferred to post 1.1 #16 Extend link syntax to allow indicating context of a target - Elliot -- This is important because the reuse mechanism in DITA is fundamentally broken, but doubts that we can fix it in 1.1, probably need to fix in 2.0, since. - Paul Prescod -- If you conref something twice, and then you xref that element by ID, to which output do you generate a link? - Michael -- If you have two topics with the same ID, the implemented behavior is to take the first one. - Elliot -- He considers that this is fundamentally broken. - Michael -- At least, we're in agreement that should be addressed post 1.1. Disagreement about whether there's really a problem. - Paul -- The implementation Michael mentioned is not in the specification -- it's just in the reference toolkit. We need to document what the current behavior is expected to be, and *that* issue needs to be captured in 1.1. - DROP #16 from 1.1, deferred to post 1.1, with possibility for "best practices" to address some of the issues. - But add *** NEW PROPOSAL for 1.1 -- Update spec to reflect current behavior of items conreffed more than once in the current implemented behavior that you see in the Toolkit reference implementation. Michael will own this new proposal, with Paul and Elliot as stakeholders. #36 Extensible metadata by expressing data in map structures - Erik -- This one is already handled by #9. - Don -- Agreed. - DROP #36 from 1.1, already covered in other proposals #39 Policy based style - Don -- Not possible in 1.1 scope. - DROP #39 from 1.1, deferred to post 1.1 #41 Allow expanding the shortdesc model (related to #42, which IS on the list) - DROP #41, already covered in other proposals (#42) #48 Support change history and annotations in prolog - Erik -- We need to expand on the critical date elements that are already in the prolog. - Don -- We need to make sure it extends to map as well as topic - DROP #48 from 1.1, deferred to post 1.1 #10 Navtitle as element (subsumed into #11) - DROP #10 from 1.1, already covered in other proposals #15 Allow role names to be namespaced - Elliot -- Two different specializations can use the same role name with different semantics - Don -- This is probably a 2.0-level issue? - Elliot -- OK with him to defer to 2.0. - Erik -- General acknowledgement that DITA would benefit significantly from this. - Don -- Can it be scoped to 1.1? - Erik -- No one has come up with a plausible and straightforward method to solve this. - Don -- We're out of time, need to defer discussion on this one. #18 move @format and @scope into rel-atts - No time to finish discussion. #31 Side-by-side implementation of DITA ids and xml:id - No time to finish discussion. #33 Move <refsyn> to a domain (depends on #32, which was accepted) - No time to finish discussion. #44 Keep indextermref (or redefine its function) - No time to finish discussion. #49 Better separation of XSL-FO names from XSLT logic (looks like Toolkit req) - No time to finish discussion. - Don -- We'll finish the discussion next time, and take our vote then. ACTION *** for Don to put this on the agenda. Unnumbered contributions that arrived SINCE the original list was gathered and weighted: Spec and process issues (from Yas's notes, other comments): Update DITA 1.0 DTD/Schema specification (bug fixes and comment edits) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200507/msg00058.html among others OASIS artifact naming guidelines (to follow where applicable) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200507/maillist.html Documenting DITA design principles (not approved yet) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200510/msg00005.html Details in the DITA spec--Priestley ("There are some cases... where the spec needs to be updated") http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200510/msg00059.html - behavior of conref with attributes on the referencing element - why a content fragment has to be addressed within a topic Styling options for conditional text Recognizing DITA documents New worked proposals (unnumbered) from members: Extensibility of DITA through new attributes http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200508/msg00065.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200508/msg00069.html and following Styling Options for Conditional Text http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200508/msg00066.html and following http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200509/msg00025.html Recognizing DITA Documents http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200508/msg00067.html and following Start of documenting DITA design principles (Paul Prescod) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200510/msg00005.html Module Registry proposal (Bruce Esrig) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200510/msg00097.html Clarification of Chunk attribute (Erik Hennum) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200511/msg00070.html Criteria for making distinction between general and industry-specific DTDs/schemas (future agenda discussion) ------------------------------------- This section tracks changes as decisions/approvals are made. Issues tracking: - Features list - Definition of Status Phases: - In Progress: Author(s) still working on proposal - Submitted: Proposal has been submitted to TC for consideration; needs TC decision (vote) in order to proceed. - Proposal Approved: TC has approved the proposal; authors working to complete the design - Design Approved: Final design of the proposal has been approved. - Postponed: Proposal has been postponed to post-1.1. - Design Approved: - # 9 New DATA element - #12 Make universal attributes completely universal - Proposal Approved: - #20 Extensible metadata attributes - #11 Create elements for text attributes with translatable text - #40 Keyref architecture - #23 Embed version numbers into catalogs - #45 Add See, See Also indexing elements - #45a Add sort order indexing elements - #45b Add page range indexing elements - #34: Constraints - restriction without specialization - Naming convention http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200509/msg00024.html (approved 2005-09-30) - Relax the related links content model so it can be empty (more of a fix issue) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200509/msg00050.html (proposal) http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/download.php/14855/TC-Meeting-Minutes-04-October-2005.txt (approved for 1.1 timing) - #38: Add book-level processing to DITA based upon revised bookmap demo - #32: Domain and topic integration ------------------------------------- - Submitted: (defer to 12/20) - #8: Allow tm to contain images or logo content (postpone this for 2 weeks, per Kravogel) http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15055/IssueNumber08_.htm - #5 Add ANSI warning labels as addition to element http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15057/IssueNumber5-haz.htm - # 4 Use subset of OASIS xNAL standard for addresses http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15112/IssueNumber4.htm (resume here for 12/13) - #19 Introduce new, more general task type http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15058/IssueNumber19-task.htm - # 6 Make @role (and other enumerated attribues) unenumerated http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15115/IssueNumber06.html - #17a Conref - improved specialization support http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15116/IssueNumber17a.html - #17b Conref - with delta (applying changes) http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15117/IssueNumber17b.html - #17c Conref - referencing a range of elements http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15118/IssueNumber17c.html - #17d Conref and conditional processing - preserve without resolving http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15119/IssueNumber17d.html - #17e Conref - push instead of pull http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15120/IssueNumber17e.html - #42 shortdesc flexibility (includes #41) http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15121/IssueNumber42.html - #43 Semantic (implicit) linking http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15122/IssueNumber43.html - #35 Support foreign content vocabularies such as MathML and SVG http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15123/IssueNumber35.html - #14 Specialize glossary entry and definition elements http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15140/Issue14.html - #2 Keywords in keywords http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15522/IssueNumber02.html - #00 Nested Sections Solution Proposal http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200511/msg00084.html - In progress: - #47 Structured Sections (replaced by "Nested sections proposed compromise") http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200511/msg00067.html - Postponed to Post 1.1: - #37 Reconciling topic and elements - Post 1.1: everything else See http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200512/msg00010.html 8:50-8:55 Announcements/Opens 8:55 Adjourn <end> ___________________________________________________________ Seraphim Larsen CIG Operations / TPPE Senior Technical Writer Intel Corporation (480) 552-6504 Chandler, AZ The content of this message is my personal opinion only. Although I am an employee of Intel, the statements I make here in no way represent Intel's position on the issue, nor am I authorized to speak on behalf of Intel on this matter. ___________________________________________________________
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