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Minutes of the OASIS DITA TC

Tuesday,  3 November 2015

Recorded by Nancy Harrison

link to agenda for this meeting:	

https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/PreviousAgendas

Regrets:       Scott Hudson, Dick Hamilton, JoAnn Hackos

Standing Business

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Approve minutes from previous business meeting:

https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201511/msg00004.html (Nancy Harrison, for 27 October) 

Proposed by Kris, seconded by Bob, approved by TC

Subcommittee Reports

	None

Announcements

    	None

Business

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1. Action items

   15 September 2015:

    - Stan: Assess how lists are ordered in the Language Reference (COMPLETED) 

   6 October 2015:

    - Bob: Build DITA-OT 2.1 plug-in for XHTML version of committee note (COMPLETED) 

   27 October:

    - Kris: Correct steps topic (COMPLETED)

    - Kris: Look for previous discussion of multiple steps in general task (COULD NOT FIND)

    - Robert: Correct MathML example topics; correct reltable topic

Robert; just checked in reltable, about to check in mathml.

    - Eliot: Investigate changes that are needed to remove default values for @processing-role from reltable (COMPLETED) 

2. Calendar for critical dates to enable DITA 1.3 to be released in 2015

    Schedule: July - December 2015

    Discussion

        TC meetings on 10 and 17 November 2015 -- Importance of attendance if you want to vote on ballot

        Overlap with tcworld and DITA Europe; might need Tom or Nancy to chair 

Kris; only 2 meetings between now and 11/17; in order to vote, Joann, Scott, and [maybe] Eric have to be here for both; everyone else needs to be on the call for at least one of the next 2 meetings.  I will be at DITA Europe, so I might be late next week; may need Nancy or Tom to chair. and maybe will need to reshedule opening time?

3. Comments on the 60-day review

    Wiki page

    New comments:

        Problems with DITA 1.3 XML Schemas for Subject Scheme and GlossGroup (Radu Coravu, 2 November 2015)

            https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita-comment/201511/msg00000.html 

Eliot gave overview; Radu noticed that URN for subjectscheme shell didn't match 1.2 version, so I corrected that by updating RNG files and generated new versions. 

- Kris; one question; are these changes clearly non-material?

- Eliot; yes; don't affect functioning ; we're not changing any content model

- Kris; just looking at SVN comits for this, looks likes in the commits your changing L&T group.mod and learning?.mod, but none to glossgroup, even though Radu mentioned it.

- Eliot; I just made a change to a comment in those files - didn't see actual comment - not getting those mails - may be a comment that I didn't see; 

- Kris; a link in front page wiki to actual mail; we've got to be careful of what we change; might want to wait to make changes till we have a comment; we have to reference them in the log.

- Robert; just, if a change isn't directly related to a comment on the log, it's hard for us to justify it

- Kris; we have to prodcue a clear and comprephensive change list; what package it affects, and  what it refers to

- Michael; is it a problem that he mentioned the proble mon Github, rather than official OASIS dita-comment

- Kris; I don't think so; I had him mention his comments on official list so we could track them.

- Don; so the reported inconsistency has to be ogged to dita-comment; any comment changes need to be mailed to TC list and we need to have discussion in TC before making the changes

- Eliot; I did miss Radu's comment on glossgroup; fix to that would be to add comment changes to glossgroup.mod

- Kris; any objections to Eliot making those changes

- Don; want to understand; if ref was missing, does this change functioning?

- Eliot; just changing the reference in the catalog

- Don; is there any change to the resolved definition?

- Eliot; no, not making a change that coul d affect a grammar file, just ensuring backwards compatibility; need 2 different URNs for 

* AI; Eliot will make changes to files related to glossgroup

- Kris; back to  changes that were made to glossgroup; do we need to back them out

- Eliot; I could submit a comment to cover them, or I could back them out.

- Kris; I'll ask you to add a email to DITA  TC list so we can log this as a comment on the log, so we have a record of the comment that led to these changes

* AI; Eliot will send email to TC about his reasons for amaking changes to  learninggroupmap.mod andlearning objectmap.mod

- Kris; eliot, you did a commit for a large number of files. Is this in regard to a non-tracked issue?  might have been something that came up on dita-ot?

- Eliot; something Radu had reported on a defaults that was missing, and I realized that there were a number of defaults that weren't getting set. Sot I set them

should probably have a formal report of the issue

- Kris; can we reference Eliot's note to the list saying his fixed something?

- Robert; I think so

- Kris; does your email cover why you made the changes? or is it dust about reltables?  I think so. your note covers it. Because we're making changes to files in resposne to second open review. hwen Chet opens ballot,  he notes to the fact that we have mnade changes, he send out logs to everyone so they can review and approve that.

- Don; I'm concerned we haven't logged the missing default attributes not being a material change; 

- Kris; we can agree today that the changes weren't material, and make the statement again.

* TC agrees to consensus that changes eliot made wrt correcting attribute defaults on XSDs are non-material changes, [get url ref to his mail explaining that to put in minutes]

4. Changes to XML grammar files on 28 October 2015

    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201510/msg00085.html

5. Continuing item: DITA TC Committee Note: "Why are there three editions of DITA 1.3?"

    Final items:

        Statement about DITA 2.0: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201511/msg00009.html (Eberlein, 3 November 2015)

Kris gave overview; posted mail about this, and also a request for confirmation on DITA 2.0 note in editions document.

[TC members reviewed statement]

- Kris; any concerns

- Tom; couple of suggestions. if you put backwards-compatibility first, can refer back to that in arch re-design para. in arch design, meant committee, not community

- Dave; make sure all changes 

- Tom; just awkward to have 'revisiting design choices twice in a row

- Don; 'for dita 2.0' but 'throughout dita 1.3'

- Kris; i'm not hearing discomfort, just tweaks.

        Remaining work items: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201511/msg00010.html (Eberlein, 3 November 2015) 

- Tom; I saw mail from Eliot;  some of his points I think should go into the spec, some I had issues with.

- Kris; a note from Dick re redoing tables rather than graphics.

- Eliot; since i had an opinion, I'll work on it, but i don't feel need to have my views get in; i just gave my opinion but i trust Tom.

- Nancy; I'll help

- Kris; we'll volunteer Dick in absentia, though he may not be able to do it.

- Kris; re 2nd point (counting files...)

- Tom; I'd just like toh ear from someone who had good methods for doing this;

- Kris; we don't want to have this go out wrong...

- Tom; i emailed eliot and robt about my methodology; i'll re-forward that mail to the TC

- Kris; i did a count of elements, for doctypes, i used a spreadsheet

- Tom; i grepped for 
    

    
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