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[all related to 1.3 ballot campaign]

1. Joann will speak with Laurent about contacting Chinese companies on our behalf

2. Tom will send Joann a list of Chinese contacts

3. Tom will send Joann latest Mentor Graphics info.

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Minutes of the OASIS DITA TC

Tuesday,  24 November 2015

Recorded by Nancy Harrison

link to agenda for this meeting:	

https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/PreviousAgendas

Regrets: none      

Standing Business

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Approve minutes from previous business meeting:

https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201511/msg00093.html (Nancy Harrison, for 17 November 2015) 

Proposed by Kris, seconded by Dick, approved by TC

Subcommittee Reports

	None

Announcements

    	None

Business

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1. Action items

    17 November 2015

        None 

2. Report back from tcworld and DITA Europe

Kris, Keith, and Eliot were at tcworld, plus Robert was at DITA Europe.

Eliot; I posted a report, posting about german vendors and a problematic presentation.

Kris; it's pretty clear that German CMS vendors are circling the wagons and feeling threatened. Fischer, which is not part of DERCOM, is moving all their clients to DITA.

[there was some interest in Lightweight DITA last year, not this year.)

Kris; Dercom is at every Mekon road show talking about how all value is in CCMS, none in DITA content model.

Don; got slides from SHEMA (sp?); don't know how they make their case, since a ccms ought to be free of impressing reqs on the language it supports., so how do the do it?

Eliot; he was comaring DITA as a standard to functionality of CCMS; since they're CCMS is a single schema, it's hard to 

Amber; we talked about this at LD mtg. CeCe thought we didn't need to address this directly; just get sopme success with other German companies.

Eliot; Kris and I felt the same; we shouldn't give them any more 'airtime', just something to keep our eyes on

Michael; I think it's a 'don't feed the trolls' approach.  If people are feeding themselves,, and everyone else only sees the trolls, everyone else thinks the trolls are right. I think we need to think about some refutations, not just ignoring them.  We need to provide counter-examples of DITA success. 

Eliot; would be good if we could see more about successful German implementations, so hopefully German vendors will be presenting.

Keith; Sarah O'Keefe also mentioned a DITA survey of large number of DITA tech writers. one question was 'what do you see about relevance of DITA in future'; most said 'none', so the problem is not just with DERCom.

Kris; tekom has always had mixed emotions about DITA.

Keith; I talked to some people who'd been to tekom; DITA is appearing as a keyword, appearing on boards of companies dealing with i18n, l10n, also there were some mentions of DITA requirements appearing on job boards.

Kris; and that's why we've been seeing the lobbying by DERCom, to oppose that trend

Robert; DITA Europe was 'boring' by contrast, so better...

Nancy; was there any overlap of attendees at tcworld and DITA Europe?  

Joann; no, not much, some presenters that had been at both, but not attendees.

Don; any feedback on which presentations were considered most helpful?

Joann; no analysis of feedback as yet.. sessions were well repreented, a lot of questions, a lot of innovative solutions from people presenting.

Kris; and a great keynote.

Joann; which had nothing to do with DITA.

Kris; but with task orientation...

Joann, there was a good presentation on creating maps; people are looking for easier ways to plan a project and create a map out of it. The presentation was about creating Excel spreadsheets and then using a Trello tool to make a map out of it.  Presentations were on making it easier to do things.

3. Problems with invocation example in the comments section of generated .ent files

    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201511/msg00100.html (Bob Thomas, 21 November 2015) 

Bob gave overview; public ID samples of .ent files are samples that belong in the .mod files; looks like it's being pulled from the mod files; not a functional problem, just confusing. don't know that it's serious problem, just a point of confusion.

Eliot; a problem with generation process; I haven't been able to fix it.  I can update them by hand for next release.

Kris; I don't think we can make any changes at this point.

Robert; i think we leave it alone for now.

Don; and it can be one of the first errata items.

 

4. Calendar for critical dates to enable DITA 1.3 to be released in 2015

    Schedule: July - December 2015 

[no action]

5. Continuing item: Campaigning for the DITA 1.3 vote: (Tom Magliery)

    Web conference for November 10, 17, and 24:

        https://bluestream.webex.com/bluestream/j.php?MTID=m7650ad05a84cb78d7a2ecb48c2b47056

        Meeting number: 805 209 611

        Meeting password: blue 

    Ballot info for DITA 1.2: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/voting/ballot.php?id=1968

    Spreadsheet of OASIS voting members who will vote to approve DITA 1.3: http://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/dita/administration/voting-OASIS-members-August-2015.xlsx

        The spreadsheet includes e-mail addresses, whether a company uses DITA, whether the company is a TC member, and whether the company voted Yes on DITA 1.2 

Tom went over contact status; discussed people who aren't in priority list, but need to be added to it; people who are primary voters, and should have people assigned to them.

Kris; do you want to assign them?

Tom; I was resisting just assigning people.  

Kris; does anyone object to adding people?

Joann; Laurent Liscia (OASIS CEO) works a lot with Chinese companies.

ActionItem. Joann will speak with Laurent about contacting Chinese companieis on our behalf.

Joann; can you send me list of chinese contacts?

Tom; will do

ActionItem; Tom will send Joann a list of Chinese contacts

Kris; you can give me 10 more; Amber said she would take 5 more.

Tom will add the following: 5 more contacts - Stan, Dick, Joann, Scott; 10 more - Don, Eric, Keith, Bob 

ActionItem; Tom will send Joann latest Mentor Graphics info.

Kris; I can do Hosner Plotnow Institute

Tom; in the next day or two, Chet will get things moving, then in a week, the vote will open.

Kris; our TC ballot closes tomorrow; 

Tom; we want to finish all first contacts with assigned voters; will review next week.

Kris; if anyone wants to do analysis of spreadsheet to figure out who are our best bets. good industry sectors?  (Tom, Eric, Michael, and/or Keith can take on the Canadians.)

close at 11:40

        

-- Ms. Nancy Harrison
        
    

    
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