Two other considerations here:
The TC hoped to include a new publication map for DITA 2.0.
Whether or not we will manage to do this is an open question ...
Because we considered the design of bookmap to be
fundamentally flawed, we did not want to redesign it. But
because we know bookmap is used heavily, we wanted to add some
critical functionality. This is the rationale for updating
bookmap without breaking backwards compatibility.
Best,
Kris
Kristen James Eberlein
Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee
Principal consultant, Eberlein Consulting
www.eberleinconsulting.com
+1 919 622-1501; kriseberlein (skype)
On 12/3/2019 9:21 AM, Wegmann, Frank
wrote:
Hi Kris et al.
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This bookmap update is the first proposal Iâve
read now. Being new to the committee, I also wondered home
some decisions have been made, but then Kris confirmed my
suspicionsin her replies that it would be appropriate to
study the previous stage proposals before raising my voice.
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What I can say is that I generally appreciate
the careful stance on breaking backward compatibility. The
less hard the migration path, the less work it means to
adapt production and reeducate authors, if you have dozens
of them spread globally with hundreds of bookmaps, like we
do. Iâm sure Robert is very much aware of a practitionerâs
position like this.
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Of course, progress needs to be made, and I
especially welcome the addition of ditavalref to the bookmap
as well as the introduction of the mapresources element.
And, furthermore, the improved specification text by adding
âProcessing expectationsâ.
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Thank you for this extension of the bookmap!
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Frank
From:
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On Behalf Of Kristen James Eberlein
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [dita] Stage three: #29 Bookmap
update -- Ready for TC consideration
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Hi, Gershon.
Please see my comments below.
Best,
Kris
Kristen James Eberlein
Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee
Principal consultant, Eberlein Consulting
www.eberleinconsulting.com
+1 919 622-1501; kriseberlein (skype)
On 12/2/2019 9:17 AM, Gershon Joseph
wrote:
Hi all,
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I have reviewed this proposal and have a
few comments (they are general comments not specifically
related to this proposal. Excuse me if any of these things
have been discussed in my absence from the TC, in which case
just refer me to the minutes or other documentation.
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Point #1
This proposal does not state why the
change is being done. Whatâs the motivation for this change?
Whatâs the business case? I can think of a couple, but I
think the proposal should mention the business or technical
need driving the change. Then this text could be lifted
as-is to the documentation of the standard, which should
make life easier for the authors of the eventual standard.
<kje>This is covered in
the stage two proposal. It would be good if you
familiarized yourself with the stage 1, stage 2, and stage
processes. We put considerable time in implementing this
new process for DITA 1.3 and revising it for DITA 2.0; we
are pretty satisfied with it.
I'm very glad to see you back
participating on the TC, Gershon, but you will have some
catching up to do! We've changed a lot of processes since
I became chair.
See:
Stage two proposal for #29:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201910/msg00097.html
DITA 2.0 process:
https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/DITA_2.0_Proposal_Process_DRAFT
(ignore fact that URL contains the word DRAFT)
</kje>
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Point #2
Why are we concerned about keeping
backward compatibility in a major release? The TC has a
huge, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to fix and improve
things that we could not do with any minor release of the
standard. If there is a better way to achieve the desired
outcome, I suggest we do it now and document any backward
incompatibility we introduce. Iâm concerned about making the
DTD files more complex simply for the sake of backwards
compatibility when weâre doing a major release.
<kje>DITA 2.0 is our
very first backwards INCOMPATIBLE release. This has scared
many people in the committee. Accordingly, we are
committed to documenting backwards-incompatible stuff
carefully. We also consider how big of an impact a change
would have and whether it's worth it.
In general, we're doing a
whole lot of clean up and implementing a lot of changes to
previous design decisions that ended up being less than
optimal.</kje>
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Point #3
Point #2 is a good Segway into this
concern. The standard says the XSDs are the normative
standard, but our proposals talk about DTDs almost
exclusively. All of our content model discussions are based
on how to achieve the outcome via DTDs. If the XSD schema is
normative, letâs focus our discussion on the XSD
implementation and optimize that. At this time, the XSDs are
essentially reverse-engineered DTDs, and donât take full
opportunity of XSD functionality. For DITA 2.0 I feel
strongly we should re-architect the XSDs to fully embrace
the schema functionality and best practices. Many vendors
have raised this concern with me, so itâs not just me.
<duck as Robert A throws a large heavy object in my
direction/>
Seriously, Iâm not undermining the huge
effort Robert and others put into the XSDs, I really do
appreciate it. What Iâm suggesting is we take on an XSD
re-architecture at this time before itâs too late.
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<kje>Um ... No. You are
missing facts. RNG is the normative grammar and has been
so since 1.3. We will not be shipping XSDs for DITA 2.0,
unless someone steps forward to create and test them. Firm
decision made already by the TC.</kje>
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Point #4
The formatting of figure titles is
confusing. I keep thinking the figure title is a figure
caption referring to the code sample above, due to the lack
of space above the title and huge space below. The figure
title actually refers to the figure below the title. I know
this is OASIS style, but please, please letâs fix it!!
<kje>If
you have specific changes to suggest, I'll point you to
the relevant plug-in. It lives in a DITA TC Git
repo.</kje>
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Besides these gripes, I really like this
proposal and see how it will make life easier for many
users. I think weâd use it eventually at Mastercard (my
current client at Precision Content).
Â
This is a very well-written proposal. Job
well done!
<kje>Thanks.</kje>
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Gershon
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From:
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on behalf of Kristen James Eberlein
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Date: Sunday, 1 December 2019 at 16:43
To: DITA TC <>
Subject: [dita] Stage three: #29 Bookmap update
-- Ready for TC consideration
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This proposal has been reviewed by:
Nancy Harrison, Individual member
Eliot Kimber, Individual member
Eric Sirois, IXIASOFT
The PDF is attached; the DITA source is available at
http://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/dita/trunk/DITA-2.0/stage-3/Issue-29-bookmap-update.dita
--
Best,
Kris
Kristen James Eberlein
Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee
Principal consultant, Eberlein Consulting
www.eberleinconsulting.com
+1 919 622-1501; kriseberlein (skype)
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