Re: [docbook-publishers] RFE 3602904: line group and block quote elements

I converted the Tempest as part of our samples on sourceforge. For the particular example provided, we have:

<dialogue remap="SPEECH"><linegroup>

<speaker remap="SPEAKER">ARIEL</speaker>

<line remap="LINE">My master through his art foresees the danger</line>

<line remap="LINE">That you, his friend, are in; and sends me forth--</line>

<line remap="LINE">For else his project dies--to keep them living.</line>

<stagedir remap="STAGEDIR">Sings in GONZALO's ear</stagedir>

<line remap="LINE">While you here do snoring lie,</line>

<line remap="LINE">Open-eyed conspiracy</line>

<line remap="LINE">His time doth take.</line>

<line remap="LINE">If of life you keep a care,</line>

<line remap="LINE">Shake off slumber, and beware:</line>

<line remap="LINE">Awake, awake!</line>

</linegroup></dialogue>

I guess I'm still not seeing why blockquote even needs to be used at all?

Thanks and best regards,

--Scott
Scott Hudson   |   PELCO  by Schneider Electric   |   United States  |   Standards Lead 
Phone: +1 970 282 1952  |  Fax: +1 970 282 1950 | Email:  |   Site: pdn.pelco.com

On Apr 4, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Richard Hamilton <> wrote:
Hi Scott,

Interesting idea. Sounds like you're suggesting <linegroup> be allowed recursively. Is that the idea?

Dick
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On Apr 4, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Scott Hudson wrote:

The problem I see is with the blockquote model:
   ## A quotation set off from the main text
    element blockquote {
      db.blockquote.attlist,
      db.blockquote.info,
      db.attribution?,
      db.all.blocks+
    }
}

As you can see it's able to include db.all.blocks. Should we consider that line is a block-level element? If so:

db.all.blocks =
  (db.nopara.blocks | db.para.blocks | db.extension.blocks)

db.publishers.blocks = db.dialogue | db.poetry | db.drama

db.extension.blocks = db.publishers.blocks

Do we modify db.publishers.blocks = db.dialogue | db.poetry | db.drama | db.linegroup | db.line

That might have more downstream consequences than we want.

We could just modify    
db.blockquote =
## A quotation set off from the main text
    element blockquote {
      db.blockquote.attlist,
      db.blockquote.info,
      db.attribution?,
      (db.all.blocks | db.linegroup | db.line)+
    }
}

at which point we might as well make blockquote the same model as linegroup?

db.linegroup =   
    ## A grouping of lines in dialogue or other form of communication.
    element linegroup {
      db.linegroup.attlist, db.speaker*, (db.stagedir | db.line | db.all.blocks)+
    }
}

db.blockquote =
## A quotation set off from the main text
    element blockquote {
      db.blockquote.attlist,
      db.blockquote.info,
      db.attribution?,
      (db.stagedir | db.line | db.all.blocks)+
    }
}

if this is the case, why wouldn't you just use linegroup and forget blockquote altogether?

Thanks and best regards,

--Scott
Scott Hudson   |   PELCO  by Schneider Electric   |   United States  |   Standards Lead 
Phone: +1 970 282 1952  |  Fax: +1 970 282 1950 | Email:  |   Site: pdn.pelco.com

On Apr 2, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Richard Hamilton <> wrote:

I exchanged messages with pcthoms regarding this RFE:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3602904&group_id=21935&atid=1037852)

He/she is asking that the following be legal:

<drama>
 <linegroup><speaker></speaker>
   <line>Text.</line>
   <blockquote>
     <line>Song.</line>
   </blockquote>
   <line>Text.</line>
 </linegroup>
</drama>

Right now, you cannot have <line> inside of a <blockquote> element. That's the addition the RFE is asking for.

At first, I thought he/she was just looking for a way to (ab)use the <blockquote> element to get an indent. But, while that is one result of doing this, the actual purpose is to markup a fragment of a song or a poem in the lines from a particular speaker, which sounds like a reasonable thing to do (though I don't know if <blockquote> is the best element to use for this purpose).

Does anyone have any thoughts on whether we should consider this change (allowing <line> inside <blockquote>, at least when <blockquote> is inside <linegroup>) or is there some other, hopefully better, way to achieve the same purpose?

Thanks,
Dick
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