Re: [egov/em] International EDXL requirements - was Countermeasures for Epidemic of Congressional Ignorance?

Interesting discussion. Just to add to the international mix of 
requirements, I would also check out the e-GIF framework for Singapore. I see 
the ones for the UK and New Zealand are already mentioned. To add to the mix is 
the requirements for risk management and emergency services in Europe as 
documented as part of the ORCHESTRA program. And in terms of expressing an 
address, how about considering OASISs' own xAL (Extensible Address 
Language) specification?

 

Finally, in terms of a registry of information as suggested by Duane, check 
out EPAD - www.epad.us

 

Cheers

Carl

 

 

 

 

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Subject: RE: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of Congressional 
Ignorance?

> Interesting developments. Fair warning, All,
> 

> When the sia-pilot6 whose mailing is copied here is up and running, I 

> will be very happy to write to this list again, if my archive hasn't 

> disappeared again as it seems to every few years, and you'll actually 

> see both geospatial and healthcare-related resources and actual 

> services gathered together. And, as for Duane's specific use-cases, 

> we are actually working on the Emergency Data Exchange Language 

> (EDXL) Resource Messages specification in the OASIS Emergency 
> 
Management TC. Right now, we are separating requirements candidates 
> 
from a quite overspecified strawman from the industry/gov group that 
> 
performs that preliminary effort before these individual component 
> 
chunks in this series of specs is passed on to us. It actually makes 
> 
sense in a weird sort of way, because it does highlight the concerns 
> of 
practitioners, but it is quite a dance moving from here through to 
> the 
spec that gets pushed out for public comment such as the EDXL 
> 
Distribution Element is currently being scrutinized.
> 
> 
Ciao,
> Rex
> 
> P.S. Since I'm in Berkeley, just across the 
Bay from that there city 
> where the intersection cited actually resides 
in the so-called "real 
> world," we could all meet there some 
time.
> 
> At 4:38 PM +0200 9/20/05, Peter F Brown 
wrote:
>>The corner of Haight and Ashbury would seem the most 
appropriate place to
>>gather in the case of an end-of-world 
catastrophe: but are we betraying our
>>age if we admit to already 
knowing how to get there??!! ;-)
>>
>>Peace 'n' 
love,
>>Peter
>>
>>-----Original 
Message-----
>>From: 
>>[mailto:]
>>Sent: 
20 September 2005 15:17
>>To: ; 
>>Cc: ; ; ;
>>; 
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>>[email protected]; 

>>Subject: 
RE: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of Congressional 
Ignorance?
>>
>>And along the same lines, what about some 
openly developed geospatial
>>information systems similar to those 
proposed by the Open Geospatial
>>Consortium?  It is the actual 
'location' of the corner of Haight and Ashbury
>>*and* how to get there 
which becomes operative in these emergency scenarios.
>>And geographic 
information, by definition, (off shore, coastal, satellite
>>imagery 
etc.) is cross-border. 
>>
>>What about a project where we 
combine GIS intelligence with ebXML registry
>>based info and a 
semantic interoperability approach?
>>
>>Just thoughts of the 
moment.
>>
>>Judy
>>
>>Judith A. 
Jerome
>>
>>Geographic Information 
Specialist
>>
>>UK Cabinet Office, e-Government Unit  
(Infrastructure Services)
>>
>>Stockley House, 130 Wilton 
Road,  London SW1V 1LQ
>>
>>Email: 
>>
>>Tel: 
+44 (0)207 276 3202
>>
>>Mobile: +44 (0)7887 690 
616
>>
>>Fax: +44 (0)207 276 
3292
>>
>>
>>-----Original 
Message-----
>>From: Farrukh Najmi 
[mailto:]
>>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:58 
PM
>>To: 
>>Cc: 'Rex 
Brooks'; 'Duane Nickull'; ;
>>; 
;
>>[email protected]; 

>>Subject: 
Re: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of Congressional 
Ignorance?
>>
>>Peter F Brown 
wrote:
>>>Interesting thread: just been talking in Vienna today on 
exactly this
>>sort
>>>of use case with Edwin Bruce, head 
of eGov projects in the New Zealand
>>>government. We both think 
that there are opportunities for
>>collaboration in
>>>such 
pilots: one only has to look at the recurrence of major 
seasonal
>>>flooding in Central Europe in the last few years or the 
ever present
>>>background threat of a major health pandemic, such 
as Avian flu...these
>>are
>>>all naturally cross-agency 
and cross-border phenomena and the ebXML
>>>federated registry model 
coupled with some semantic interoperability
>>>approach would indeed 
seem to fit the bill....
>>> 
>>This scenario is very 
similar to one a bunch of us collaborated on at 
XML
>>2003.
>>
>>Slides are 
at:
>>
>>http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/presentations/oasis-demo-xml2003.sxi
>>http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/presentations/oasis-demo-xml2003.ppt
>>
>>The 
scenario was of Avian Flu Epidemic when it was big news in far 
east
>>:-)
>>
>>It used ebXML Registry, ebXML 
Messaging, ebXML CPP/A, XForms, XACML etc.
>>
>>If it were 
done today OASIS CAP would also be included and potentially 
some
>>other standards and 
technologies.
>>>Peter
>>>
>>>-----Original 
Message-----
>>>From: Rex Brooks 
[mailto:]
>>>Sent: 19 September 2005 
21:30
>>>To: Duane Nickull; Rex Brooks; ;
>>>; 
;
>>>[email protected]
>>>Subject: 
RE: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of 
Congressional
>>Ignorance?
>>>
>>>Thanks foor 
the reply, Duane,
>>>
>>>The pilot project I'm working 
on now does some of this and is 
a
>>Semantic
>>>Interoperability Rachitecture Pilot as well 
as being SOA in a loosely
>>>coupled way, and we plan to use ebXML 
REgistry/Repository as well as
>>many
>>>other components. 
It's far from any kind of panacea, but i think it
>>will 
be
>>>a small step in the right 
direction.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Rex
>>>
>>>At 
12:20 PM -0700 9/19/05, Duane Nickull wrote:
>>> 

>>>>Rec:
>>>>
>>>>Sadly, in a 
previous company we proposed an architecture to the
>>>>Canadian 
Government (prior to being acquired by Adobe) for a low 
costs
>>
>>>>system that would have helped alleviate 
some of the problems from this
>>
>>>>type of 
emergency.
>>>>
>>>>While dwelling on the past is 
important to learn lessons, I also think
>>
>>>>it is 
important to look forward and take action.  The proposed 
system
>>>>was  registry based and would allow government 
and civilian entities
>>to
>>>>register the following 
via easy to use web forms:
>>>>
>>>>1. What types 
of events they wish to be notified about and when.
>>>>Example: 
If there is a landslide in the Rocky Mountains that blocks 
a
>>>>public highway, notify me since I am a civilian trucking 
company and I
>>
>>>>need to know this to reroute my 
trucks or "Tell me about potential
>>>>hurricanes 48 hours in 
advance since I have to collect and evacuate
>>>>elderly 
people".
>>>>
>>>>2. A list of anything they have 
that they would make available during
>>>>an emergency. Example: 
I have a diesel generator and 200 gallons of
>>>>fuel in my 
backyard
>>>>
>>>>3. Details of any services they 
are prepared to offer during an
>>>>emergency (example: I have a 
chainsaw and can help cut through 
fallen
>>>>trees.
>>>>
>>>>4. 
Details of how they can be contacted in an emergency 
including
>>>>backup plans in case no infrastructure exists 
(example: If the phones
>>>>are out, I will be at the corner of 
Haight & Ashbury.
>>>>
>>>>5. Workflows and 
procedures for emergency workers to 
take.
>>>>
>>>>The idea is that everyone who has a 
stake in a situation would have a
>>>>chance to play a 
role.  Agencies from local governments to
>>>>international 
relief workers could all use it.
>>>>
>>>>The 
architecture is public record since it was submitted to the GoC 
as
>>
>>>>an RFI proposal.  Anyone interested in 
seeing it or making use of it
>>>>please let me know and I can 
forward it to them.
>>>>
>>>>I think systems like 
this would only cost around CAD $100,000 to
>>>>implement and 
probably minimal $$ to keep operational.  A 
bargain
>>>>compared to the chaos that can result when things go 
wrong.
>>>>
>>>>The architecture used the OASIS 
CAP and the ebXML Registry/Repository
>>>>standards along with 
other web service standards.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone want 
to build 
it?
>>>>
>>>>Duane
>>>>
>>>>-----Original 
Message-----
>>>>From: Rex Brooks 
[mailto:]
>>>>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 
8:06 AM
>>>>To: ; ;
>>>>; 
[email protected]
>>>>Subject: 
[egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of 
Congressional
>>Ignorance?
>>>>
>>>>Hi 
Everyone,
>>>>
>>>>Please excuse the inept and 
mangled metaphors, but I think I have a
>>  >>concussion 
from being hit by this um, fiscal 
responsibility?
>>>>
>>>>I note this with 
considerable dismay since it looks a lot like we
>>>>suddenly 
discovered that we are hemorrhaging from a leg so we 
are
>>going
>>>>to amputate our right arm as if we could 
somehow save the blood in
>>that
>>>>arm or keep it from 
flowing out our gashed leg. Let's ignore how much
>>>>work that 
arm could do, for things like, well, tying a 
tourniquet
>>>>around the wound from which we are actually 
bleeding?
>>>>
>>>>http://fcw.com/article90814-09-16-05-Web&newsletter%3Dyes
>>>>
>>>>Better 
idea. Let's rescind the minimum wage and hire all 
those
>>>>displaced refugees, oops, no, they're called.... what 
was it? Ah yes,
>>>>evacuees. How much more civilized can you 
get? I never thought
>>>>ignorance was contagious till 
now.
>>>>
>>>>Rex
>>>>--
>>>>Rex 
Brooks
>>>>President, CEO
>>>>Starbourne 
Communications Design
>>>>GeoAddress: 1361-A 
Addison
>>>>Berkeley, CA 94702
>>>>Tel: 
510-849-2309
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Rex 
Brooks
>>>President, CEO
>>>Starbourne Communications 
Design
>>>GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison
>>>Berkeley, CA 
94702
>>>Tel: 
510-849-2309
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>>--
>>Regards,
>>Farrukh
>>
>>
>>
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