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Fwd: Please forward Re: Oracle NIEM Video Kerfuffle
Here we are, Tim,
Cheers,
Rex
-------- Original Message --------
Subject:
Please forward Re: Oracle NIEM Video Kerfuffle
Date:
Thu, 4 Aug 2011 07:35:22 -0400
From:
Grapes, Timothy <>
To:
<>, <>
Elysa/Rex,
Could you please forward to the OASIS list? My email
bounced.
Thanks,
   Tim
Tim Grapes
SE Solutions, Inc.
(703)
304-4829
From: Grapes,
Timothy
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 7:26 AM
To: David RR Webber (XML)
Cc: ; emergency TC lists Oasis
Subject: RE: [emergency] Re: Oracle NIEM Video
Kerfuffle
This is not a tool or technology issue. It’s a
methodology, approach and policy issue. If implementers wish
to develop exchanges which interoperate only within a single
project or partner implementation, there is no problem with
that.
It is the position of OASIS to educate user communities
regarding broad interoperability objectives and integrity in
application and use of its standards. The demonstrated
process breaks HAVE interoperability and perpetuates the
perception that the outcome is conformant with HAVE-compliant
exchanges, and this is inaccurate. HAVE is widely implemented
across the nation’s hospitals and by HHS, and OASIS will
help to ensure that user communities are educated about the
implications of methodologies which may introduce issues or
render current HAVE-based exchanges useless.
We are working with NIEM to ensure appropriate
integration, federation, policy and methodology when working
with external public standards (specifically EDXL). NIEM
supports these efforts.
I’ll refrain from further emails on the topic as
appropriate follow up is pursued.
Thanks,
Tim
Tim Grapes
SE Solutions, Inc.
(703)
304-4829
From: David RR
Webber (XML) [mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:18 PM
To: Grapes, Timothy
Cc: ; emergency TC lists Oasis
Subject: RE: [emergency] Re: Oracle NIEM Video
Kerfuffle
Tim,
Contrarywise
the new EIEM and BIEC specifications from NIEM NTAC are
aligned with the demonstration.
http://www.niem.gov/newsletter201102.php
Now
of course individual communities are entitled to retain
older techniques such as adapters - but the ability to
define an EIEM for Emergency Management incorporating
components from existing exchanges - and blending those with
NIEM core components as BIEC permits - is enabled by the
CAMeditor toolset.
Thanks,
DW
--------
Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [emergency] Re: Oracle NIEM Video Kerfuffle
From: "Grapes, Timothy" <>
Date: Wed, August 03, 2011 11:52 am
To: <>,
"David RR Webber (XML)" <>,
"emergency TC lists Oasis" <>
Hi David,
The actual real-world problem and
misleading issue is that the video demonstrates an
invalid method of adding elements to HAVE (or any
other standard) for this purpose. If the demonstrated
technique is used, it breaks the standard as noted by
Rex. This perpetuates ongoing misconceptions in the
use of EDXL and NIEM. Therefore, the EM-TC is
determining a formal position in response and for
outreach.
A valid methodology has been
defined between EDXL and NIEM to accomplish the goal
of extending a public standard through the use of NIEM
adaptors. This is the only technical approach that
may be utilized where the end product remains
conformant with the public standard.
Thanks,
Tim
Tim Grapes
SE Solutions, Inc.
(703) 304-4829
From: Rex
Brooks [mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:09 AM
To: David RR Webber (XML); emergency TC
lists Oasis
Subject: [emergency] Re: Oracle NIEM Video
Kerfuffle
Hi David,
Work on HAVE 2.0 is underway, but in hiatus until
after SitReps 1.0 and DE 2.0 have been worked through
to Public Review, currently held up in overtaxed TC
Admin. I'm copying the TC list with this reply in
order to pass your reply along to those who have been
concerned.
Cheers,
Rex
On 8/2/11 8:44 PM, David RR Webber (XML) wrote:
Rex,
It's purely illustrative - for demonstration
purposes - hypothetical - assuming someone wanted to
add additional Aircraft information using NIEM
dictionary components - this could be how to do it.
Obviously there are many improvements that
could be made to HAVE to make it more flexible, more
aligned to NIEM, lessons learned from Haiti, and the
list goes on.
My membership of HAVE at OASIS is still
caught up in Oracle bureaucracy - so its going to be
several weeks more before I can rejoin the list and
comment.
I suggest people just relax until then.
BTW - is there new work on HAVE in
progress? I cannot "see" anything right now - as
I'm not on the TC list.
Thanks, DW
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Oracle NIEM Video Kerfuffle
From: Rex Brooks <>
Date: Tue, August 02, 2011 12:33 pm
To: "David RR Webber (XML)" <>
Hi David,
I don't know if you are associated with the video
on the oracle.com
site: http://launch.oracle.com/?NIEM
but it is causing a problem with
the EM TC because the end product breaks the
EDXL-HAVE specification,
and while I am not the person to speak with, I
said I would borach the
topic with you. I'm not working on HAVE so I
haven't followed this, but
it should be dealt with through OASIS and NIEM.
The TC is moving to do
this, so at least now you know.
Cheers,
Rex
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