If the grid has the historical data from each facility plus weather data from each location, it can generate forecasts for each building as well as the aggragate. The building's prediction is an fyi for the grid This happens in the grod between utilities and ISOs all the time sort of like a check/balance but may not be necessary if not trusted.
Sila
On Feb 2, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Ed Cazalet <> wrote:
The grid usually
forecasts load in the aggregate.
What is the building forecast for?
If it is a baseline for a DR program, then who should be responsible for
the forecast? The customer should
not do it, because of the incentive to bias the forecast.
Edward G. Cazalet, Ph.D.
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From: Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT)
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To: Energy Interop
Subject: RE: [energyinterop] Scope questions for discussion
Traditionally, building load management has been crude, and
aggregated in certain large time granules. Industrial sites, however, have had
strong incentives to manage peaks.
As operating safety margins get smaller, it may become
increasingly important to manage peaks aggressively, even within the
neighborhood or even home. Is some sort of detailed peak /load shape of
interest in the new world? What about power factors? Is the forward and
backward reporting of curves rather than points of measurement the future of
smart metering?
tc
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Toby Considine
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Co-Chair, OASIS Technical Advisory Board
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University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC
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From: Sila Kiliccote
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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:09 PM
To: Energy Interop
Subject: [energyinterop] Scope questions for discussion
All,
David
Holmberg and I had a great conversation today on the scope of EI (which will
hopefully feed into section under discussion). I’d like to open up some
of my ideas and get your feedback before I propose a few paragraphs for the
scope section.
I’d
like to look at the scope from a B2G interface point of view and the questions
I suggest we try to answer are:
What information do the buildings need from the
electricity grid?
What information does the electricity grid need from
the buildings?
Buildings’ need from the Grid:
-
Electricity prices (various forms such as absolute, relative, level,
etc)
-
DR contract parameters – excluding direct load control: A contract
can have the following parameters:
- Issue time,
start time, end time
-
Within the start time and end time there may be a request from the grid
for load reduction (%, absolute, relative, etc) (or load increase - when there
is too much generation)
- Power quality (Do we care how “good” the power
we get from the Grid? Probably! What are the indicators to be communicated to a
building?
- Location of the resources needed
Grid’s
need from buildings:
-
Measured (current, historical) demand
-
Predicted demand
-
Available DR (over next 24 hrs?, 1 week?)
- Location identifier (meter, address, grid location
indicator?)
I
welcome your comments. All of the above assumes that the meter is the
demarcation point. And just to add, the expansion of this to DER can be again
categorized as on the utility side and on the building side but should be a
super set.
Sila
