[humanmarkup] PBS-Doc-semiote

Title: PBS-Doc-semiote

We have deferred referent to the Secondary
and Semiosis as defined by Sylvia Candelaria deRam
() below has also been added as part of the newly
created Semiosis Section of the PBS.

Subject: [humanmarkup-comment] Re: Signs, Referents and Semiote

            
From: Rex Brooks <>

            
To: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <>,'Rex
Brooks' <>,

            


            
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:24:46 -0700

      Title: Re: Signs, Referents and
Semiote

      Referrant/Referent (spelling?) 
came up in the September telecon and we added it to list of new
elements.

      If we think it is best to use it as an
enumeration, derivation, extension or refinement of sign, along with
signifier and signified, then it should be in the Secondary Base
Schema, and I leave it to the list to inform me of how that should be
handled. If these need to be treated similarly to or differently than
each other, I am equally sanguine with it.

      How's that for punting?

      Ciao,

      Rex

      At 3:31 PM -0500 10/17/02, Bullard,
Claude L (Len) wrote:

                  Is referent in the
primary schema?  I remember it being part of the sign experiment,
thus, not something that has to be defined for the PSB.  Am I
wrong?

                 A referent in the sign
experiment DTD element type I posted is a real world instance of the
thing signified.   If the sign signifies a curve in a road,
a real curve on a real road can be a referent.

                 Sign - mostly just a wrapper
element for descriptive purposes in the DTD, an abstraction otherwise
or the container.   A sign may be symbolic, iconic or
indexical, sometimes combinations of these.

                 Signifier - the sign, perhaps a
glyph for example, the wavy glyph on the road sign for Curves Ahead
Signified - the concept of the sign, eg, curveness

                Referent - a real instance of a sign,
eg, a curve on a real road. 

                Semiote:  a processor capable of
emitting and/or producing signs.   It may be living or
artificial for purposes of this specification. 

                 len

Title: RE: Signs, Referents and Semiote

      Cool.

      Thanks,

      Rex

At 4:27 PM -0500 10/17/02, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:

      I agree that it should be in a
secondary.

Here is a first take on:

      Base Schema - semiote

      This is an abstract complexType element
which will take the attribute

      humlComAtts since it applies to
exclusively communication or aspects

      of communication. It does not use other
elements. It may be used by

      other elements.

      It is described/defined as a processor
capable of emitting and/or

      producing signs. It may be living or
artificial for purposes of this

      specification.

      This element, along with sign, signal
and symbol, the the key

      concepts involved in the semiotic
processor experiment which we have

      initiated and which has significant
promise as a processing model for

      the communication process. In short, it
allows for a more inherently

      analytical  model of the process.
It is thought that in this way,

      clarity and accuracy in communication
can be notably enhanced. So it

      is particularly important for us to be
thorough and careful in our

      definition and use of this element. So
we invite all comments to be

      made promptly.

      There will be further opportunity to
comment on this concept in the

      public comment period, but comments now
will be included in the

      initial documentation of our discussion
on this element.

      Ciao,

      Rex

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Here is a second take on the second paragraph for

Base Schema - semiote

----------------

P1

P2

A semiote is a cognitive agent who participates in meaningful
signal

exchange among cognitive agents (i.e., in Semiosis, q.v.).

A processor capable of producing, emitting, and/or interpreting
and

responding to signals as meaningful, a Semiote may be living or
artificial

for purposes of this specification.

P3 This element, along with signal (and sign and symbol), is a key
concept ...

----------------

(Is that true that we will  have an entry for Semiosis too? 
Here's a

consistent  nucleus for that:

SEMIOSIS (meaningful signal exchange among cognitive agents)

SIGNAL (energy sent by a cognitive agent to tell another
something)

  --- Len, will that do?

I

SC

At 05:52 AM 18-10-2002 -0700, Rex wrote:

>Here is a first take on:

>

>Base Schema - semiote

>

>This is an abstract complexType element which will take the
attribute

>humlComAtts since it applies to exclusively communication or
aspects

>of communication. It does not use other elements. It may be used
by

>other elements.

>

>It is described/defined as a processor capable of emitting
and/or

>producing signs. It may be living or artificial for purposes of
this

>specification.

>

>This element, along with sign, signal and symbol, the the key

>concepts involved in the semiotic processor experiment which we
have

>initiated and which has significant promise as a processing model
for

>the communication process. In short, it allows for a more
inherently

>analytical  model of the process. It is thought that in this
way,

>clarity and accuracy in communication can be notably enhanced. So
it

>is particularly important for us to be thorough and careful in
our

>definition and use of this element. So we invite all comments to
be

>made promptly.

>

>There will be further opportunity to comment on this concept in
the

>public comment period, but comments now will be included in
the

>initial documentation of our discussion on this element.

>

>

>

>Ciao,

>Rex

>--

>Rex Brooks

>Starbourne Communications Design

>1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309

>http://www.starbourne.com * 

>

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