Rob,
I agree with your proposal to focus on word processors for the first
round of an interoperability workshop.
To the list of applications I'd add:
* Textmaker from Softmaker
* Thoughtslinger
* Mobile Office from Odendahl SEPT-Solutions
Erwin
wrote:
>
> The point is that there is not a lot of interesting interop between a
> word processor and a presentation graphics editor. So we could have
> people attending representing all application classes, but the
> interoperability discussion will naturally break down into interop
> within like product categories. That is the 1st order work that needs
> to happen.
>
> My main concern is that if we tried to do all product categories we
> would not get critical mass of attendance in some of them to accomplish
> much interoperability work.
>
> -Rob
>
> ___________________________
>
> Rob Weir
> Software Architect
> Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
> IBM Software Group
>
> email:
> phone: 1-978-399-7122
> blog: http://www.robweir.com/blog/
>
>
> *Dieter Loeschky <>*
> Sent by:
>
> 06/01/2007 11:20 AM
>
>
> To
>
> cc
> Louis Suarez-Potts <>, Dee Schur
> <>, "'Jane Harnad'"
> <>, "'John McCreesh'" <>,
> ,
> Subject
> Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> I see your point but I would like to attract people from other areas
> too. I would love to see more ODF implementations, not only word
> processors or even Office applications.
>
> Do we have enough other contacts via the adoption committee?
>
> Regards,
> Dieter
>
> --
> Sun Microsystems GmbH Dieter Loeschky
> Nagelsweg 55 Senior Manager Software Engineering
> 20097 Hamburg StarOffice / OpenOffice.org Development
> Germany Phone: +49(0)40 236 46 500
> http://www.sun.com
>
> Sitz der Gesellschaft:
> Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten
> Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028
> Geschaeftsfuehrer: Marcel Schneider, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer
> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering
>
>
>
> schrieb:
> >
> > Would it be worth focusing on a single application time for this first
> > interoperability event? Say, just word processors? I think it would be
> > difficult to ensure that we have enough people with sufficient expertise
> > in all three applications from all vendors, and even if we could, any
> > topic would be interesting to only 1/3 of the engineers.
> >
> > So, if we focused on just ODF word processors, we could invite:
> >
> > 1) OpenOffice on Linux, Mac and Windows (we would want to consider cross
> > platform fidelity issues even with a single application, and OO is a
> > good example for this)
> > 2) IBM
> > 3) KDE
> > 4) Google Docs
> > 5) AbiWord
> > 6) CleverAge (for the Word Plugin) or maybe Novell handles this?
> > 7) ZohoWriter?
> > 8) Anyone else?
> >
> > -Rob
> > ___________________________
> >
> > Rob Weir
> > Software Architect
> > Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
> > IBM Software Group
> >
> > email:
> > phone: 1-978-399-7122
> > blog: http://www.robweir.com/blog/
> >
> >
> > *Louis Suarez-Potts <>*
> >
> > 06/01/2007 04:58 AM
> >
> >
> > To
> > Dee Schur <>
> > cc
> > ,
> , "'John
> > McCreesh'" <>, "'Jane Harnad'"
> > <>,
> > Subject
> > Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 2007-05-30, at 16:16 , Dee Schur wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Louis and Dieter,
> > > I think these are both great ideas but slightly different, which is
> > > good.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > >
> > > Louis,
> > > I think your camp concept is terrific
> >
> > (not mine; Don came up with the idea, but it is good)
> >
> >
> > > and can easily be coordinated through
> > > the Adoption TC with you as a lead.
> >
> >
> > I'd rather have Dieter lead the camp; Dieter and Rob, say, as the
> > camp must be technical and I'm not technically competent enough to
> > pose as lead, let alone lead.
> >
> >
> > > Since there will be no presentations, it
> > > seems to me that as long as you secure the space, you will be set.
> > > OASIS can
> > > promote the 'ODF Camp' in the same manner we always do (posting to
> > > event
> > > page, OASIS News, etc.) So, as soon as you have a written description
> > > inviting participants, we can move forward with various postings.
> >
> >
> > Great, let's start inviting :-)
> >
> > Dieter, Rob (if you are here...):
> >
> > Let's coordinate on inviting candidates. We can coordinate off this
> > list but why? I'd like to invite essentially all those implementing
> > ODF or wanting to. I don't have contacts in all these companies.
> >
> > But I think we have to finalize the invitations by, say, end of next
> > week?
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Dieter,
> > > I think your concept will take longer to execute properly, so we
> > > might think
> > > about late in 2007 or 2008. During the last Adoption call we tossed
> > > around
> > > the idea of a stand alone ODF event (one or two days), that can either
> > > co-locate with another conference or act as a stand alone that could
> > > possibly be hosted at a member facility in various locations. Once
> > > you put
> > > this type of effort together it is easy to duplicate in different
> > > locations.
> > > I would like each member to consider hosting such an event and/or
> > > suggest an
> > > event/conference that would an appropriate venue for 'ODF Day(s).'
> > > I think
> > > an Asian venue would be interesting, any thoughts? I would like to
> > > see how
> > > much interest we have for this before we commit a lot of cycles. I
> > > think it
> > > is a great idea, and ODF is gaining tremendous speed but I will
> > > need the
> > > support of the Adoption TC.
> >
> >
> > Dee, I think I resolved Dieter's points, and I think Dieter was
> > thinking of presentations in the context of OOoCon. Last year and
> > year before and year before that we had tracks on ODF; this year will
> > likely be no different. So, we can have ODF presentations throughout
> > the conference, without OASIS' specific intervention, though your
> > support would always be helpful.
> >
> > best,
> > Louis
> > >
> > > Thanks so much!
> > > Dee
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:21 AM
> > > To: Louis Suarez-Potts
> > > Cc: Dee Schur; ; John McCreesh;
> > > Jane Harnad
> > > Subject: Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I would love to see technical presentations (e.g. reports from the
> > > Metadata SC, Formula SC, ...) as well as status presentations (e.g.
> > > ODF
> > > roadmap, ODF adoption, ...).
> > > Furthermore we should have workshops on ODF interoperability in ODF
> > > enabled applications (OOo, KOffice, ...) and ODF processing (server
> > > and
> > > client side).
> > > Taking the ODF Toolkit project into account, I hope that we can
> > > attract
> > > additional audience outside the classic OOo public.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dieter
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sun Microsystems GmbH Dieter Loeschky
> > > Nagelsweg 55 Senior Manager Software Engineering
> > > 20097 Hamburg StarOffice / OpenOffice.org
> > > Development
> > > Germany Phone: +49(0)40 236 46 500
> > > http://www.sun.com
> > >
> > > Sitz der Gesellschaft:
> > > Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten
> > > Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028
> > > Geschaeftsfuehrer: Marcel Schneider, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland
> > > Boemer
> > > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Louis Suarez-Potts schrieb:
> > >> Hi
> > >> On 2007-05-29, at 21:12 , Dee Schur wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Louis,
> > >>> We did discuss your email on the ODF Adoption call this morning
> > >>> and I was
> > >>> hoping that you would have joined the call.
> > >>> It was mentioned that it may be difficult to keep attendees with
> > >>> split
> > >>> session (19 and 21 of September) on ODF. I'm not certain that
> > >>> this is a
> > >>> problem.
> > >>
> > >> Depends.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> In terms of the ODF camp, how many competing tracks will occur
> > >>> simultaneously? Is this a speaker/presentation format? If so, how
> > >>> many
> > >>> speakers? Or is it an interactive learning event with tutorials and
> > >>> clinics?
> > >>> Is this a plug-fest? Who will select the presenters, are you on the
> > >>> programme committee?
> > >>
> > >> Camp: it's a workshop. No presentations except impromptu ones.
> > >> Rather,
> > >> work on code.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> If we do a showcase/demo, I would like to approach the participating
> > >>> vendors
> > >>> about sponsorship after I understand the openoffice.org conference
> > >>> funding
> > >>> model.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Model: We ask for donations. See
> > >> http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2007/sponsorship.html
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> But OOoCon may not be in favor of vendors demoing their products?
> > >>
> > >> Indeed, we are not. We are in favour of vendors speaking about
> > >> experience about their experience with their products, esp. if they
> > >> concern OOo--are derived from it or in some way relate to it. Example
> > >> could be, KOffice speaking about heterogeneous environment,
> > >> KOffice/OOo,
> > >> say.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> A
> > >>> traditional OASIS InterOp would require a scenario that solves a
> > >>> business
> > >>> problem and solution, they are non-promotional in nature but members
> > >>> report
> > >>> that the InterOps drive business to their company. Of course,
> > >>> open-source
> > >>> participation would also be encouraged. I also wanted to pursue the
> > >>> InterOp
> > >>> because we are trying to increase membership in the Adoption TC
> > >>> and the
> > >>> possibility of participating in this event would encourage these
> > >>> potential
> > >>> new members to join the Adoption TC.
> > >>
> > >> OOo and ODF are not quite like regular OASIS formats, I think.
> > >>
> > >> The point of the camp is actually to improve interoperability
> > >> among the
> > >> ODF implementations. But the presentations, given at OOoCon, must
> > >> really
> > >> relate to OOo, as well as ODF.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Do we have any idea of number and type of attendees? It is my
> > >>> understanding
> > >>> that this event is heavily attended by public sector folks or is it
> > >>> mostly
> > >>> developers?
> > >>
> > >> Both. In years past, numbers have trended up from 300-350. I
> > >> think this
> > >> year it will be more popular.
> > >>
> > >>> I have many more questions, maybe we should plan another call
> > >>> since it
> > >>> sounds like you are under the gun.
> > >>
> > >> Quite. :-)
> > >>
> > >> But I'm in Moscow for the next couple of days, then back to London. I
> > >> can manage one via Skype or equiv., but I want to hear from
> > >> Dieter, too.
> > >>
> > >>> Thanks!
> > >>> Dee
> > >>
> > >> best
> > >> louis
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Louis Suarez-Potts [mailto:]
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:28 PM
> > >>> To:
> > >>> Cc: John McCreesh; Dee Schur; Dieter Loeschky
> > >>> Subject: need confirmation on ODF Camp
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi
> > >>> A couple of days ago I sent a note to this list, cc'ing Dee Schur
> > >>> and
> > >>> several others. [0].
> > >>>
> > >>> No response so far. That's unfortunate. We need to decide on the
> > >>> logistics of the event, and soon.
> > >>>
> > >>> Here is the idea:
> > >>>
> > >>> Wednesday have a 1/2 or even full day "camp" that would work on
> > >>> "normalizing" interoperability among ODF implementations.
> > >>>
> > >>> Options:
> > >>>
> > >>> ** It could run in parallel to the regular scheduled talks, as a
> > >>> stream.
> > >>>
> > >>> Or,
> > >>>
> > >>> ** it would be one of the streams
> > >>>
> > >>> The latter option would necessary crowd out other papers.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Opinions?
> > >>>
> > >>> My own preference would be to have a parallel track.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Please respond as soon as you can.
> > >>>
> > >>> best
> > >>> Louis
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
