The point is that there is not a lot
of interesting interop between a word processor and a presentation graphics
editor. So we could have people attending representing all application
classes, but the interoperability discussion will naturally break down
into interop within like product categories. That is the 1st order
work that needs to happen.
My main concern is that if we tried
to do all product categories we would not get critical mass of attendance
in some of them to accomplish much interoperability work.
-Rob
___________________________
Rob Weir
Software Architect
Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
IBM Software Group
email:
phone: 1-978-399-7122
blog: http://www.robweir.com/blog/
Dieter Loeschky <>
Sent by:
06/01/2007 11:20 AM
To
cc
Louis Suarez-Potts <>,
Dee Schur <>, "'Jane Harnad'" <>,
"'John McCreesh'" <>, ,
Subject
Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation
on ODF Camp
Hi Rob,
I see your point but I would like to attract people from other areas
too. I would love to see more ODF implementations, not only word
processors or even Office applications.
Do we have enough other contacts via the adoption committee?
Regards,
Dieter
--
Sun Microsystems GmbH Dieter Loeschky
Nagelsweg 55
Senior Manager Software Engineering
20097 Hamburg
StarOffice / OpenOffice.org Development
Germany
Phone: +49(0)40 236 46 500
http://www.sun.com
Sitz der Gesellschaft:
Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten
Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028
Geschaeftsfuehrer: Marcel Schneider, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer
Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering
schrieb:
>
> Would it be worth focusing on a single application time for this first
> interoperability event? Say, just word processors? I think
it would be
> difficult to ensure that we have enough people with sufficient expertise
> in all three applications from all vendors, and even if we could,
any
> topic would be interesting to only 1/3 of the engineers.
>
> So, if we focused on just ODF word processors, we could invite:
>
> 1) OpenOffice on Linux, Mac and Windows (we would want to consider
cross
> platform fidelity issues even with a single application, and OO is
a
> good example for this)
> 2) IBM
> 3) KDE
> 4) Google Docs
> 5) AbiWord
> 6) CleverAge (for the Word Plugin) or maybe Novell handles this?
> 7) ZohoWriter?
> 8) Anyone else?
>
> -Rob
> ___________________________
>
> Rob Weir
> Software Architect
> Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
> IBM Software Group
>
> email:
> phone: 1-978-399-7122
> blog: http://www.robweir.com/blog/
>
>
> *Louis Suarez-Potts <>*
>
> 06/01/2007 04:58 AM
>
>
> To
> Dee
Schur <>
> cc
> ,
, "'John
> McCreesh'" <>, "'Jane Harnad'"
> <>,
> Subject
> Re:
[odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> On 2007-05-30, at 16:16 , Dee Schur wrote:
>
> > Hi Louis and Dieter,
> > I think these are both great ideas but slightly different,
which is
> > good.
>
> :-)
>
> >
> > Louis,
> > I think your camp concept is terrific
>
> (not mine; Don came up with the idea, but it is good)
>
>
> > and can easily be coordinated through
> > the Adoption TC with you as a lead.
>
>
> I'd rather have Dieter lead the camp; Dieter and Rob, say, as the
> camp must be technical and I'm not technically competent enough to
> pose as lead, let alone lead.
>
>
> > Since there will be no presentations, it
> > seems to me that as long as you secure the space, you will
be set.
> > OASIS can
> > promote the 'ODF Camp' in the same manner we always do
(posting to
> > event
> > page, OASIS News, etc.) So, as soon as you have a written
description
> > inviting participants, we can move forward with various
postings.
>
>
> Great, let's start inviting :-)
>
> Dieter, Rob (if you are here...):
>
> Let's coordinate on inviting candidates. We can coordinate off
this
> list but why? I'd like to invite essentially all those implementing
> ODF or wanting to. I don't have contacts in all these companies.
>
> But I think we have to finalize the invitations by, say, end of next
> week?
>
>
>
> >
> > Dieter,
> > I think your concept will take longer to execute properly,
so we
> > might think
> > about late in 2007 or 2008. During the last Adoption call
we tossed
> > around
> > the idea of a stand alone ODF event (one or two days),
that can either
> > co-locate with another conference or act as a stand alone
that could
> > possibly be hosted at a member facility in various locations.
Once
> > you put
> > this type of effort together it is easy to duplicate in
different
> > locations.
> > I would like each member to consider hosting such an event
and/or
> > suggest an
> > event/conference that would an appropriate venue for 'ODF
Day(s).'
> > I think
> > an Asian venue would be interesting, any thoughts? I would
like to
> > see how
> > much interest we have for this before we commit a lot of
cycles. I
> > think it
> > is a great idea, and ODF is gaining tremendous speed but
I will
> > need the
> > support of the Adoption TC.
>
>
> Dee, I think I resolved Dieter's points, and I think Dieter was
> thinking of presentations in the context of OOoCon. Last year and
> year before and year before that we had tracks on ODF; this year will
> likely be no different. So, we can have ODF presentations throughout
> the conference, without OASIS' specific intervention, though your
> support would always be helpful.
>
> best,
> Louis
> >
> > Thanks so much!
> > Dee
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [mailto:]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:21 AM
> > To: Louis Suarez-Potts
> > Cc: Dee Schur; ; John
McCreesh;
> > Jane Harnad
> > Subject: Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF
Camp
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would love to see technical presentations (e.g. reports
from the
> > Metadata SC, Formula SC, ...) as well as status presentations
(e.g.
> > ODF
> > roadmap, ODF adoption, ...).
> > Furthermore we should have workshops on ODF interoperability
in ODF
> > enabled applications (OOo, KOffice, ...) and ODF processing
(server
> > and
> > client side).
> > Taking the ODF Toolkit project into account, I hope that
we can
> > attract
> > additional audience outside the classic OOo public.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dieter
> >
> > --
> > Sun Microsystems GmbH
Dieter Loeschky
> > Nagelsweg 55
Senior Manager Software Engineering
> > 20097 Hamburg
StarOffice / OpenOffice.org
> > Development
> > Germany
Phone: +49(0)40 236 46 500
> > http://www.sun.com
> >
> > Sitz der Gesellschaft:
> > Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten
> > Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028
> > Geschaeftsfuehrer: Marcel Schneider, Wolfgang Engels, Dr.
Roland
> > Boemer
> > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering
> >
> >
> >
> > Louis Suarez-Potts schrieb:
> >> Hi
> >> On 2007-05-29, at 21:12 , Dee Schur wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Louis,
> >>> We did discuss your email on the ODF Adoption call
this morning
> >>> and I was
> >>> hoping that you would have joined the call.
> >>> It was mentioned that it may be difficult to keep
attendees with
> >>> split
> >>> session (19 and 21 of September) on ODF. I'm not
certain that
> >>> this is a
> >>> problem.
> >>
> >> Depends.
> >>
> >>
> >>> In terms of the ODF camp, how many competing tracks
will occur
> >>> simultaneously? Is this a speaker/presentation
format? If so, how
> >>> many
> >>> speakers? Or is it an interactive learning event
with tutorials and
> >>> clinics?
> >>> Is this a plug-fest? Who will select the presenters,
are you on the
> >>> programme committee?
> >>
> >> Camp: it's a workshop. No presentations except impromptu
ones.
> >> Rather,
> >> work on code.
> >>
> >>
> >>> If we do a showcase/demo, I would like to approach
the participating
> >>> vendors
> >>> about sponsorship after I understand the openoffice.org
conference
> >>> funding
> >>> model.
> >>
> >>
> >> Model: We ask for donations. See
> >> http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2007/sponsorship.html
> >>
> >>
> >>> But OOoCon may not be in favor of vendors demoing
their products?
> >>
> >> Indeed, we are not. We are in favour of vendors speaking
about
> >> experience about their experience with their products,
esp. if they
> >> concern OOo--are derived from it or in some way relate
to it. Example
> >> could be, KOffice speaking about heterogeneous environment,
> >> KOffice/OOo,
> >> say.
> >>
> >>
> >>> A
> >>> traditional OASIS InterOp would require a scenario
that solves a
> >>> business
> >>> problem and solution, they are non-promotional
in nature but members
> >>> report
> >>> that the InterOps drive business to their company.
Of course,
> >>> open-source
> >>> participation would also be encouraged. I also
wanted to pursue the
> >>> InterOp
> >>> because we are trying to increase membership in
the Adoption TC
> >>> and the
> >>> possibility of participating in this event would
encourage these
> >>> potential
> >>> new members to join the Adoption TC.
> >>
> >> OOo and ODF are not quite like regular OASIS formats,
I think.
> >>
> >> The point of the camp is actually to improve interoperability
> >> among the
> >> ODF implementations. But the presentations, given at
OOoCon, must
> >> really
> >> relate to OOo, as well as ODF.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Do we have any idea of number and type of attendees?
It is my
> >>> understanding
> >>> that this event is heavily attended by public sector
folks or is it
> >>> mostly
> >>> developers?
> >>
> >> Both. In years past, numbers have trended up from 300-350.
I
> >> think this
> >> year it will be more popular.
> >>
> >>> I have many more questions, maybe we should plan
another call
> >>> since it
> >>> sounds like you are under the gun.
> >>
> >> Quite. :-)
> >>
> >> But I'm in Moscow for the next couple of days, then
back to London. I
> >> can manage one via Skype or equiv., but I want to hear
from
> >> Dieter, too.
> >>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> Dee
> >>
> >> best
> >> louis
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Louis Suarez-Potts [mailto:]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:28 PM
> >>> To:
> >>> Cc: John McCreesh; Dee Schur; Dieter Loeschky
> >>> Subject: need confirmation on ODF Camp
> >>>
> >>> Hi
> >>> A couple of days ago I sent a note to this list,
cc'ing Dee Schur
> >>> and
> >>> several others. [0].
> >>>
> >>> No response so far. That's unfortunate. We need
to decide on the
> >>> logistics of the event, and soon.
> >>>
> >>> Here is the idea:
> >>>
> >>> Wednesday have a 1/2 or even full day "camp"
that would work on
> >>> "normalizing" interoperability among
ODF implementations.
> >>>
> >>> Options:
> >>>
> >>> ** It could run in parallel to the regular scheduled
talks, as a
> >>> stream.
> >>>
> >>> Or,
> >>>
> >>> ** it would be one of the streams
> >>>
> >>> The latter option would necessary crowd out other
papers.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Opinions?
> >>>
> >>> My own preference would be to have a parallel
track.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please respond as soon as you can.
> >>>
> >>> best
> >>> Louis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
