On Nov 07, 2007, at 6:35 AM, Scott McGrath wrote:
> Jeff, all,
>
> I understand what the charter expects. My original observation
> remains
> unchallenged, so I'll assume it to be correct. My observation was
> that the
> default "join" process which is designed to support the TC Process
> and IPR
> Policy (with Primary Approval and mail templates identifying
> appropriate TC
> rules and policies) is inappropriate in this situation. Therefore
> we have
> to hide the "join" link and invoke a manual process of "ask someone
> to add
> you to the roster" much as we do for the Member Section group.
Is that because the only way to join a mailing list is invoke all
the ipr/primary stuff? Seems rather inflexible -- another example of
Kavi being the perfect tool? ;-(
If that's the way it has to be, then i think there should be some
text saying - any oasis member can join, but you have to do it
manually. I'm sorry but i can't see any of this since i'm already a
member and only see the usual confusing language that i have to
remove myself in order to join - which i'm not going to do :-)
-jeff
>
> I'll set up the group this morning and you can advise on any edits.
>
> Scott...
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Mischkinsky [mailto:]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:03 PM
>> To: Scott McGrath
>> Cc: Graham Barber; OpenCSA
>> Subject: [opencsa-ms] Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings
>> for LSC
>>
>> hi scott,
>> (moving to the MS list)
>>
>> i'm not quite sure of all of the implications of what you are
>> proposing, but the charter is quite clear:
>> "LSC meetings, (teleconference and/or face to face) shall be posted
>> in advance. The meetings shall be open to other OpenCSA MS and
>> affiliated TC members as observers. Observers may participate in
>> meetings at the discretion of the chair. Any eligible OASIS member
>> may subscribe to the LSC mail list and post to it."
>> cheers,
>> jeff
>>
>> On Nov 06, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Scott McGrath wrote:
>>
>>> Graham,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> See some replies inline
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Graham Barber [mailto:]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:10 PM
>>> To: Scott McGrath
>>> Cc:
>>> Subject: Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings for LSC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> A couple of questions:
>>>
>>> - On the Groups Page, I think I interpret that subcommittees are
>>> indented under the main committee that they "serve".
>>>
>>> [Scott said:]
>>>
>>> Under normal circumstances, that is true. But this is not a
>>> "normal" subcommittee in that we would not enforce our subcommittee
>>> rules (to be a member on a SC, you must be a member of the parent
>>> committee) Therefore, this subcommittee wouldn't be represented in
>>> the usual parent/child relationship of indented under the parent.
>>>
>>> If I have this right, this group will be under the Steering
>>> Committee Group, yes? If so, then leaving "OpenCSA" in the name may
>>> be redundant. As we've lost the more important "SCA", may I suggest
>>> "SCA Liaison SubCommittee" as an alternative? That may change the
>>> long name as well, of course.
>>>
>>> [Scott said:]
>>>
>>> I was focusing on OpenCSA and avoiding SCA to help make it clear
>>> that it is a subcommittee of the Member Section, not one of the SCA
>>> TCs.
>>>
>>> - Will it be possible to join as an Observer? That was my personal
>>> intention, for example.
>>>
>>> [Scott said:]
>>>
>>> Hmmm, didn't consider that, either on a policy level or
>>> operationally. I'll let you folks deal with the policy issue, but
>>> I would observe that if I expose the "Join this group" link, it
>>> will invoke all the TC related "join management/Primary Approval"
>>> tools, webpages, email templates that make perfect sense when
>>> joining a TC-and no sense when joining this special group. If you
>>> folks agree having Observers is culturally correct (and I can bet
>>> on that outcome) I think the best process to allow that is to
>>> modify the page message to read:
>>>
>>> "If you are interested in Observing this subcommittee joining this
>>> subcommittee to represent your SCA
>>> TC, please notify the Steering Committee at -
>>> open.org"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham J Barber,
>>>
>>> OASIS OpenCSA Steering Committee Secretary & Vice-Chair,
>>> Program Director, SOA Partnerships, IBM Corporation.
>>>
>>> Phone:
>>> Internal: 245702, External: +44 (0)
>>> 1962 815702
>>> Secretary (Carol): 245395, +44 (0)1962
>>> 815395
>>> Cellphone (Worldwide): +44 (0)
>>> 7880 734005
>>>
>>>
>>> "Scott McGrath" <>
>>>
>>> 06/11/2007 15:52
>>>
>>> To
>>>
>>> <>
>>>
>>> cc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject
>>>
>>> [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings for LSC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gents,
>>>
>>> In creating the infrastructure for the OpenCSA Inter-SCA TC Liaison
>>> SubCommittee, allow me to confirm a few details.
>>>
>>> The group name and mail list name has practical size limitations
>>> because of
>>> display issues. Therefore, I suggest:
>>>
>>> Group Name (as displayed on the group pages) OpenCSA Liaison
>>> SubCommittee
>>> Mail list name:
>>> The charter and supporting page text will of course reference the
>>> full name.
>>>
>>> All group settings will be configured to give the visibility you
>>> seek.
>>>
>>> The "Join this Group" button will be hidden. OASIS members who
>>> are not
>>> already on the roster will see a note that says something like:
>>> "If you are interested in joining this sub-committee to represent
>>> your SCA
>>> TC, please notify the Steering Committee at -
>>> open.org"
>>> With your guidance we can add members to the roster.
>>>
>>> Let me know if I've missed something. If we can put closure to
>>> this today,
>>> I can have the pages available by Wednesday, as requested.
>>>
>>> Scott...
>>>
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