Minutes for 9 January 2014

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http://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-core/Meetings/Telecon2014.01.09#Minutes

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Arnaud  Le Hors - Software Standards Architect - IBM Software Group

Minutes

Chair

Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM) 

Scribe

Steve Speicher (IBM) 

Attendees

Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM), Axel Reichwein (Individual), David
Green (Tasktop Technologies), Ed Barkmeyer (NIST), Harish Krishnaswamy
(Software AG), John Arwe (IBM), Lin Ju (IBM), Martin Pain (IBM), Nick Crossley
(IBM), Peter Haase (Fluid Operations), Raul Garcia-Castro (UPM), Robert
Lorbeski (Boeing), Samuel Padgett (IBM), Steve Speicher (IBM), Ian Green
(IBM) 

Regrets

Robert Baillargon (Sodius) 

Resolutions

Unanimously approve minutes of 10 December 

Provide feedback and contributions to Use
cases & Requirements by January 17th Actions

None Original
Chat transcript from room: oslc 

2014-01-09 GMT-08:00 (Timestamps below are US Pacific)

Chat transcript from room: oslc 

Roll Call

[07:07] Axel Reichwein: hello 

[07:07] John Arwe (IBM): boo 

[07:07] Steve Speicher (IBM): Present: Arnaud J Le Hors
(IBM) Axel Reichwein David Green (Tasktop Technologies) Harish (Software
AG) John Arwe (IBM) Lin Ju (IBM) Martin Pain (IBM) Nick Crossley (IBM)
Peter Haase (fluidOps) Raul Garcia-Castro (UPM) Robert Lorbeski (Boeing)
Samuel Padgett (IBM) Steve Speicher (IBM) 

[07:07] Martin Pain (IBM): Martin Pain here 

[07:07] Nick Crossley (IBM): Present! 

[07:07] Raul Garcia-Castro (UPM): Present! 

[07:07] Robert Lorbeski (Boeing): Present 

[07:08] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): regrets: Robert Baillargon

[07:08] John Arwe (IBM): I could do the "Good Morning,
Mrs. Gorilla" sketch if you want 

[07:10] ian green (ibm): ian green here 

[07:10] John Arwe (IBM): I guess that's like the proverbial
nun rapping someone on the fingers 

[07:10] Steve Speicher (IBM): Topic: Approval of minutes
from 10 Dec 2013 

[07:10] Steve Speicher (IBM): SteveS seconds minutes are
good 

[07:11] Steve Speicher (IBM): Arnaud minutes are approved

Next call, 23 January

[07:11] Steve Speicher (IBM): (no conflicts) 

Spec authoring

[07:13] John Arwe (IBM): I thought Chet Ensign said we
had some choice. E.g. ReSpec
from W3C he seemed to think would be OK as well as wiki, just influences
the steps you have to take to freeze a draft for outside reviews. 

[07:14] John Arwe (IBM): SteveS: two tracks, standards
or not 

[07:14] John Arwe (IBM): SteveS: they want PDF-friendly
(document) format when it goes out (as a std only??) 

[07:15] John Arwe (IBM): SteveS: people have mostly fallen
into 2 camps, MS Word or OpenDocument
format, with OASIS templates. 

[07:16] John Arwe (IBM): SteveS: HTML can be used. One
group had used ReSpec
from W3C. Tried to get Chet here today but did not work. ReSpec
is HTML with a _javascript_
conveniences, W3C uses it pretty widely, so has some appeal. 

[07:17] John Arwe (IBM): SteveS: John Arwe and I have used
ReSpec
over last 1.5 years at W3C. Biggest "problem" is building an
OASIS module telling ReSpec
OASIS's equivalent to W3C's pubrules. 

[07:17] John Arwe (IBM): SteveS: so we have options; pick
one (Steve S prefers), mix/match. 

[07:18] John Arwe (IBM): Arnaud: editors can choose, in
general would be nice to have a default format. Arnaud likes ReSpec
personally. Chet said we could, seemed to say that some group(s) already
have. 

[07:19] David Green (Tasktop Technologies): I don't know
if this is something that OASIS would do, but has anyone asked them if
they'd provide a version of ReSpec
with the necessary OASIS-specific module? 

[07:20] John Arwe (IBM): @SteveS, since you're done talking
now back to you scribing. 

[07:20] Nick Crossley (IBM): I plan to experiment with
ReSpec
for the developing Configuration Management vocabulary 

[07:20] Steve Speicher (IBM): @David I am talking with
OASIS about that 

[07:20] Steve Speicher (IBM): @John thanks 

[07:20] David Green (Tasktop Technologies): @Steve great
stuff 

[07:21] Steve Speicher (IBM): SteveS: It would be good
for Core TC to set the direction for other OSLC-affiliated TCs to use similar
tool 

[07:21] John Arwe (IBM): Personally, I'm comfy with ReSpec.
Would like to avoid proprietary formats ... IBM won't buy me a MS Word
license w/o jumping through lots of extra hoops, and the open code like
LibreOffice
doesn't always handle Word files well. 

[07:22] John Arwe (IBM): What's nice about ReSpec
for me is that it DOESN'T tie you to any particular tools. Any _javascript_-capable
browser (i.e. all of them) work, and use your fav text editor. 

[07:23] Steve Speicher (IBM): SteveS: sees people leaning
towards to ReSpec
and if OASIS theme was available, we'd be using it 

What needs to be done for Core version 3?

[07:23] Martin Pain (IBM): (Apologies: I need to leave
now due to a conflict) 

[07:24] Steve Speicher (IBM): Arnaud: Recapping where we
are, review some of the contributions 

[07:35] Steve Speicher (IBM): SteveS: Summarized the idea
to provide a minimal valuable first release of work products mid 2014 that
includes: terminology, links, common vocab, ui previews, dialogs, error
response, discussion res, compatibility w v2, discovery, etc. 

[07:35] Steve Speicher (IBM): SteveS: see things like auth
and RDF actions as a stretch but possible 

[07:37] Steve Speicher (IBM): SteveS: we will need to define
how certain v2 concepts could be used in v3, like query syntax, shapes,
trs. This could come out of compat w/ v2 or separate informative doc 

Use Cases & Requirements for development and evolution
of vocabularies

[07:37] Steve Speicher (IBM): See https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-core/VocabUseCases

[07:43] Steve Speicher (IBM): SteveS: The vocab page is
intended to be quite broad, to help motivate what we need in terms of guidelines,
best practices and specifications 

[07:44] Steve Speicher (IBM): Arnaud: We should have a
cutoff date on when review and feedback is provided 

[07:44] Steve Speicher (IBM): Arnaud: Any feedback on this
approach? 

[07:45] Steve Speicher (IBM): Arnaud: notes silence
and therefore consensus 

[07:46] Steve Speicher (IBM): Axel: Interested in OMG's
OSLC4MBSE for developing vocabs for various existing standards that have
a number of standards dealing of versions of them 

[07:48] Steve Speicher (IBM): Axel: has received feedback
from mailing list and will look at that, then get back. Though thinks it
would be good have some guidance from this group. 

[07:49] Steve Speicher (IBM): JimC added this https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-core/Transition%20from%20proprietary%20vocabulary%20to%20standards-based

[07:53] Steve Speicher (IBM): Axel: the are working with
SysML which is an extension of UML, and those have all different versions...with
some incompatibilities 

[07:53] Steve Speicher (IBM): ...wanting to define these
in OSLC resource shapes. 

[07:55] Steve Speicher (IBM): Axel: Looking to see how
a SysML tool should publish its data as OSLC and what those clients should
expect 

[07:56] Steve Speicher (IBM): Ian: SysML is currently communicated
via XMI? Are you looking to repeat this in OSLC or looking to do more?

[07:58] Steve Speicher (IBM): Axel: XMI has some flaws,
not a perfect interchange format. Want to use OSLC as a way to insert links,
to and from SysML models. 

[08:00] Steve Speicher (IBM): Axel: If there is an OSLC
adapter that exposing SysML models to existing tool, clients want to know
that the SysML they have matches the version specific semantics and tool
specific semantics. 

[08:05] Steve Speicher (IBM): (scribe may depend on either
Axel to summarize or to follow up with more details on this discussion)

[08:10] Steve Speicher (IBM): Ian: wonders if any parallels
to what is being considered in config mgmt space, with being able to request
a slice/version of some resources 

[08:12] Steve Speicher (IBM): Axel: possibly and see other
cases of this 

[08:15] Steve Speicher (IBM): Present: +Ed Barkmeyer 

[08:18] Steve Speicher (IBM): https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-core/VocabUseCases

[08:21] John Arwe (IBM): how about 1 week to declare INTENT
to provide scenario(s) at least? 

[08:21] John Arwe (IBM): if we can get details on at least
a few in the same period, that should be enough for next mtg 

[08:23] Steve Speicher (IBM): SteveS: propose we get feedback
and contributions by 17th so we can prepare for following meeting agenda

[08:23] Steve Speicher (IBM): Arnaud: anyone agree? we
can always put some placeholders in 

[08:23] Steve Speicher (IBM): Arnaud: not hearing any
disagreement, so we close on this topic 

[08:23] John Arwe (IBM): are proposals/resolutions formatted
"separately" in minutes? 

[08:23] John Arwe (IBM): so someone not here today would
have a high likelihood of seeing them? 

[08:24] Steve Speicher (IBM): SteveS: people will need
to just read the minutes 

[08:24] Steve Speicher (IBM): Arnaud: I do some post processing
to emphasize different parts 

[08:26] John Arwe (IBM): no mas 

[08:26] Steve Speicher (IBM): For next meeting, I'm hoping
to have the use cases done and a proposal/plan on what we need to produce

Any other business

[08:27] Steve Speicher (IBM): Arnaud: last call, no takers...adjourned

Adjourn