Minutes 5 March 2015

Online: https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-core/Meetings/Telecon2015.03.05

Minutes

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transcript

Chair

Steve Speicher (IBM)

Scribe

Arnaud Le Hors (IBM)

Attendees

Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM,) Harish (Software
AG), ian green (IBM), Martin Pain (IBM), Martin Sarabura (PTC), Samuel
Padgett (IBM), Steve Speicher (IBM)

Regrets

Arthur, Nick

Resolutions

Minutes of 19 February 2015 approved unanimously

Next TC call will be on 19 March 2015

Add window.opener for dialogs to assist
mobile devices

make dialog prefills generic (for pickers
as well)

accept Actions as initial working draftActions

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2015-03-05 GMT-08:00

Approval of Minutes of 19 February 2015

[07:05] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-core/Meetings/Telecon2015.02.19#Minutes

[07:06] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): RESOLVED:
Approved Minutes of 19 February 2015

Next call: 19 March 2015

Status update on drafts

[07:08] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Discovery
3.0

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Steve: still
planning on some changes, no updates yet

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Delegated
Dialog

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Sam: got
some feedback and have been updating the doc

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... have
been implementing it

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... would
like to suggest a change

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... started
looking at implementation on mobile

[07:09] Steve Speicher (IBM): https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oslc-core/email/archives/201503/msg00010.html

[07:10] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... open
dialogs open a new window on phones

[07:10] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... can't
fit everything in the same page

[07:10] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... had to
change a property to make that work

[07:11] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... would
like to add that change to the spec

[07:11] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... it could
be useful on a desktop too

[07:12] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martin: how
does one know which version of delegated dialog is used?

[07:13] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... wonder
if we should have something that lets you find out

[07:13] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: this
is a discovery question

[07:14] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: it's
not so much a version question but whether this model is supported

[07:14] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: right

[07:14] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: we could
add a property to indicate support

[07:15] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... not sure
whether this is necessary since you're supposed to support it in 3.0

[07:15] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): issue is
a 3.0 consumer and a 2.0 dialog

[07:16] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... if the
client puts the dialog in a different window it wouldn't work

[07:18] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martin: how
about a link header?

[07:20] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: I think
we need to solve this more broadly, not just for dialog

[07:20] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: feels
like an edge case though

[07:20] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... table
it for now and see later whether we need a general solution or we solve
it just for dialog

[07:21] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: a header
that tells you it's a 3.0 server would solve the problem

[07:23] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: typically
not every component gets updated at the same time so it's a fairly frequent
situation

[07:25] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: is .opener
property meaningful to the browser?

[07:26] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: yes,
it tells you when a window was opened by _javascript_

[07:26] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: seems
to have agreement on the addition

[07:28] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: in case
of delegated picker, can selection dialog be prefilled?

[07:28] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... martins
raised the issue too

[07:29] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: I
wonder if associating a shape would address the problem

[07:30] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: don't
think that's enough

[07:30] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: sounds
like a different use case to me

[07:32] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martin: there
are many different scenarios

[07:33] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: we have
a solution for creation dialog we could generalize it

[07:33] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: I'd
support that

[07:34] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martins:
I think that would be helpful to have that in the spec, otherwise new people
may not know

[07:35] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: sounds
like we could make it general for dialog

[07:35] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Common Vocabulary

[07:35] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: need
to incorporate feedback I received

[07:36] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Overview,
Resource Preview, Attachments: ready for publication?

[07:36] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: wonder
if we should say something about mobile in Preview

[07:37] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... never
created a json format for dialog

[07:37] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe
we need to do that

[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: re:
mobile, it's never been clear what we should say

[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe
this is something for the Guidance doc

[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... could
have a section on mobile

[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... you don't
use preview on mobile

[07:40] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: not
mandating anything for mobile but not giving any guidance either, could
be good to do

[07:40] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... agree
that preview not very useful on mobile

[07:40] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe
on tablet

[07:41] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe
better to leave it open but make sure we don't break anything

[07:41] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: could
have guidance on how it's displayed without getting into the gesture to
get it

[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: maybe
we could have some guidance if we can agree

[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Actions

[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: martinp
submitted work that was done at open-services.net

[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... proposed
to accept the work and start restructuring

[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): RESOLVED:
accept Actions as initial working draft

[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: we
need to find an editor

[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... any takers?

[07:44] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... will
need to find someone

[07:44] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Link Guidance

[07:44] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: no
progress?

[07:45] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: no,
but haven't forgotten, should be able to work on this soon

OSLC 3 reference impl

[07:46] Samuel Padgett (IBM): http://oslc3.mybluemix.net/

[07:46] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Sam shared
link to source code

[07:46] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: attachments
still need to be implemented

[07:47] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... contributions
welcome!

OSLC 3 testing conformance approaches

[07:47] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: might
make sense to use the LDP framework

[07:47] Samuel Padgett (IBM): https://github.com/w3c/ldp-testsuite

[07:48] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... it works
pretty well

[07:48] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... running
the tests generates a report, including in EARL, that can be concatenated

[07:48] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... RESTassured
makes it easy

[07:49] Steve Speicher (IBM): LDP WG impl
conformance reports: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/tests/reports/ldp.html

[07:49] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... added
annotations to indicate conformance levels: SHOULD, MAY, MUST

[07:49] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... thinking
is to use the same thing here, and possibly use some of the LDP assets
for OSLC

[07:51] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Steve: Any
other business?

[07:51] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: march
is meant to be the month when we try to lock down our documents to publish
for public review

[07:52] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... and hopefully
publish as Committee Specification

[07:52] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... after
that we can decide whether to go for OASIS Standard

[07:52] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... we would
probably want to sync up with some of the domains to also be at Committee
Specification stage

[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... to go
together to OASIS Standard stage

[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... any questions?

[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): no objections

Meeting Adjourned