OSLC CORE TC Minutes July 21, 2016

Note: Still waiting for status update from the OASIS technical advisory board

 

Scribe 

Martin Sarabura (PTC) 

Attendees 

David Honey (IBM) 

Jean-Luc Johnson (Airbus) 

Jim Amsden (IBM) 

Martin Sarabura (PTC) 

Pat Wilson (Boeing) 

Regrets 

Nick Crossley (IBM) 

Resolutions 

Actions 

Martin to contact Chet to inquire about status of our public review draft 

·        
Nick to update 
ReSpec template and send email pointing to it 

·        
Jim post issue about other changes related to Chet's feedback that should be easy for
ReSpec to handle 

Chat transcript from room: oslc

[07:06] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Martin volunteers to be scribe

[07:07] Martin Sarabura (PTC):
https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-core/Meetings/Telecon2016.06.23

[07:07] Martin Sarabura (PTC): June 23 minutes accepted

[07:08] Martin Sarabura (PTC):
https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-core/Meetings/Telecon2016.07.21

[07:08] Martin Sarabura (PTC): First topic: Add CCM to core tc?

[07:09] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Possibility of diluting the core focus - fragmentation of resources vs coupling of independent deliverables

[07:10] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Martin: Readers would consider all TC outputs to be part of spec anyway regardless of which TC published it

[07:10] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: New TC domain committee being formed

[07:11] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Mandate to migrate documents to OASIS structure without making substantive changes

[07:12] Martin Sarabura (PTC): What about two OSLC TCs? One for core technologies, one for domains

[07:12] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Thus Change Mgmt would naturally belong in domains, config mgmt in core

[07:14] Martin Sarabura (PTC): David: A good model, you can choose which to attend and hopefully the one you choose to attend is aligned with your interests

[07:14] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Core was a fair amount of work, similarly config mgmt. Putting both into same TC could make meetings quite long...

[07:15] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Action: Martin to check with Chet on our current publication status

[07:15] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Maybe not as much to do in these areas now

[07:17] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jean-Luc: Config mgmt has impact on domains and on core - no way to express how service provider is configuration enabled

[07:18] Martin Sarabura (PTC): That could be a short-term solution, then we can talk about reorg later

[07:20] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim has had this conversation with Nick previously - domains including config mgmt are largely independent of core

[07:21] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Note all core capabilities are optional, including discovery

[07:23] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Of course a service provider that is less capable in the area of discovery has a more limited applicability

[07:24] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: There is a method to determine whether config mgmt is supported

[07:25] Martin Sarabura (PTC): David: Hybrid model also possible - same service provider can serve some resources that are configuration-aware, others not

[07:26] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Perhaps best for ccm tc to address

[07:27] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Support for configuration management is a property of container, not server

[07:28] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Action items

[07:29] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick has not yet modified and republished respec - Jim was still able to use it

[07:29] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Leave on the list

[07:29] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim noticed a few other things that may need to be updated

[07:30] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Based on feedback from Chet

[07:30] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim to tell Nick about these other possible changes

[07:30] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim will post as issue

[07:31] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick's local copies same as online

[07:31] Martin Sarabura (PTC): David has raised issues - action item complete

[07:32] Martin Sarabura (PTC): 70 - two creates

[07:32] Martin Sarabura (PTC): also 71, 72

[07:32] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick posted issue re delegated access control - 68

[07:33] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim's action item covered by 72

[07:34] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Next topic: TRS document first pass

[07:34] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim has a few issues: 69 - missing references RDF-VAL etc

[07:34] Martin Sarabura (PTC): 69 should be closed

[07:35] Martin Sarabura (PTC):
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OSLCCORE-74

[07:36] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Do we need acc namespace? Already published, we can't get rid of it

[07:37] Martin Sarabura (PTC): David: Does access control have wider applicability than TRS?

[07:37] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Likely it does, therefore we should keep it separate

[07:38] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Close it, don't merge

[07:38] Martin Sarabura (PTC):
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OSLCCORE-73

[07:40] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim proposes publishing as separate document(s). Reason is practicality - we're not ready to add the document to the current core lineup

[07:40] Martin Sarabura (PTC): David: Agree, especially since many fewer implementations of TRS

[07:42] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Doesn't require a vote since we would not be changing anything in our process

[07:42] Martin Sarabura (PTC):
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OSLCCORE-75

[07:43] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Problem is TRS CUD in current spec are individuals, not classes and yet shapes table has properties for them

[07:43] Martin Sarabura (PTC): eg., type, change and order

[07:44] Martin Sarabura (PTC): New class called change event having 3 three properties and having 3 instances

[07:44] Martin Sarabura (PTC): David: Ontology would align better

[07:46] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Change CUD to 3 new classes with new properties, create change event shape that constrains those classes, not subclasses of anything

[07:48] Martin Sarabura (PTC): David: Set of data is same, with same meaning - why 3 classes?

[07:48] Martin Sarabura (PTC): David: Propose abstract base class, with 3 concrete instances

[07:48] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Inheritance doesn't work in resource shapes so you're not really gaining anything

[07:49] Martin Sarabura (PTC): So it's OK to have one class

[07:50] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Comments on the document?

[07:50] Martin Sarabura (PTC): David: Sections 3.1 through 3.4 are empty.

[07:52] Jim Amsden (IBM):

https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/svn/oslc-core/trunk/specs/tracked-resource-set.html#resources

[07:54] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Link in the agenda had fragments in it which somehow resulted in those sections being trimmed out

[07:54] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim:
ReSpec problem 

[07:55] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Some mistakes in the shapes. Investigating...

[07:57] Martin Sarabura (PTC):
ChangeEvent doesn't have name. Currently
ReSpec says it has a name trs#Deletion

[07:58] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim will have to figure out what's going on.

[07:58] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Meeting adjourned