Peter
et al,
I am
aware of the UDDI bit in the eGIF. I think the problem is that (a) this was put
in some time back because people wanted something and has not been questioned
since; and (b) few here understand the ebXML regrep. I hope I can do something
about the second of these as I have a fair bit of influence here. But I need to
understand it myself first, and the specs are very big ...
The
eGIF is reviewed every six months, and standards must be "well supported in the
marketplace" before they can adopted. The contact is John Borras (also chair of
the OASIS eGov and E&VS TCs). Email .
I had
not spotted the bit about differing address standards, but yes, it is a problem
and well-known and regretted here. We have a standard (BS7666). At the risk of
getting David Webber excited, the problem with international address standards
is that they are so general with so many options that they are pretty useless
even if we can express our addresses using them. As David says, people are
trying to address (sorry!) this, but I am worried if the Royal Mail is the
only UK organization involved. They are only interested in getting mail from A
to B (which they do extremely badly, but that is a personal gripe), which is
just one of many uses of an address.
I see
John and the other people with an interest in these areas frequently. I am
happy to raise issues with them.
Regards
Paul
Spencer
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Kacandes
[mailto:]
Sent: 15 January 2004
01:20
To: Paul Spencer; regrep
Subject: RE: [regrep] UK
Government Registry Requirements
Hi All,
I've just been reading a most disturing section
of a draft document called the UK e-GIF (e Government Interoperability
Framework):
"2.5 Departments which are connected to the
GSI are to use the GSI Notice 1/2003 Information GSI Directory Schema, except
for WEB based transactions over SOAP when UDDI is to be
used
2.6 When Web services are used they shall
to be based on SOAP, UDDI and WSDL specifications."
I think we
as a TC need to make sure that ebXML Registry gets equal billing with UDDI for
these purposes.
Paul, is there anyway you can put us in touch with
appropriate contacts to make sure that this gets modified in the next draft of
this document?
Especially given that other parts of the document talk
about the importance of meta-data content management:
"Content management
metadata
2.19 The technical policies for content
management metadata cover:
The adoption and development of the e-GMS,
based on the International Dublin Core model, to meet government's information
management and retrieval needs
The e-GMS is a 'superset' of metadata
elements and refinements, and it is unlikely that any single system will
require all of them. Organisations are therefore encouraged to develop sector
and system-specific standards, removing elements that are not required, and
adding local constraints
2.20 The development and
maintenance of the GCL (Government Category List)."
Also in
section 2.39 it says:
"For example, ebXML uses the
international address standard whereas the UK has its own address
standard."
I'd like to understand what they mean by that.
The
full document can be found at:
http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/schemasstandards/egif_document.asp?docnum=731
regards
pk
-----Original
Message-----
From: Paul Spencer [mailto:]
Sent:
Friday, January 09, 2004 10:29 AM
To: regrep
Subject: [regrep] UK
Government Registry Requirements
I hope people remember the
discussions we had last year about this. We got
as far as agreeing to put
together a document based on the requirements of
the UK MOD and wider
requirements that others could contribute.
Sorry about the delay (I
have been tied up with the Election Markup
Language), but I have now done a
first draft of those parts of the document
that I said that I would do. It
is at
http://boynings.co.uk/mod/regrep-v0-2.pdf.
The next stage is to add wider requirements and come up with
a
standards-based architecture to achieve these requirements. My goal is
to
create an architecture using OASIS standards that can be used to allow
these
registries to interact, not only within government, but also, for
example,
with a UBL repository. Although I am talking about the registry
(which will
obviously use ebXML standards since we are discussing it here)
I believe
there is a lot we need to decide in terms of how the registry is
used and
the client applications required. However, it is essential within
Government
not to specify specific applications to be used.
My hope
is that people will read this document (it is a PDF, but I am happy
to do
other formats on request) and we can discuss it at the telecon
on
Thursday.
Regards
Paul Spencer
Director
Boynings
Consulting Ltd
http://www.boynings.co.uk
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