RE: [saml-dev] Logout from a single SP.

From
Giuseppe Sarno <>
Date
2005-10-27T16:20:39+00:00
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RE: [saml-dev] Logout from a single SP.
Title: Message

So 
even if I was same user same browser /same window (just clicking a link 
resourced on a different SP) and going from SPA to SPB

Is 
then up to the IDP to decide when the Auth Request comes from SPB whether to 
actually use the Same Index or Assertion back to the SPB.

 

I guess though the Assertion (in case of SPB) could be different 
depending if the requirements/data in the request (or policy etc.) requires the 
generation of a different Assertion.

 

I 
guess in this case it would be nice to distinguish the case of UserB using same 
browser etc. from the case of UserB using a different mean or equipment in order 
to distinguish the sessions but I guess this is more down to info passed from 
the client and implementation specific.

 

Thanks.

 

Giuseppe.

  

  
-----Original Message-----
From: Conor P. Cahill 
  [mailto:] 
Sent: 27 October 2005 
  17:11
To: Sarno, Giuseppe [MOP:GM15:EXCH]
Cc: 
  
Subject: RE: [saml-dev] Logout from a 
  single SP.

Giuseppe Sarno wrote on 10/27/2005, 12:01 
  PM: 
  

  
    
      
It seem indicating that the Principal can have 
      multiple SessionIndexes and as such different AuthAssertions associated 
      with him (Is this 
  right??)
Absolutely.

  
    
      
And in this case the Logout request 
      could contain just the SessionIndex the SP wants to 
      remove.
Correct.

  
    
      
How can this happen 
      ?
The same user is logged in from 2 
  or more different "locations"... Note that locations include different 
  browsers, sometimes different instances of the same browser, different 
  devices, different computers, etc, etc.  There are even reasonable 
  situations where the IDP could in a single browser context support multiple 
  sessions for the user.

  
    
      

      
Example: 

      
If the user access SPA and the IDP creates 
      AssertionA with SessionIndexA and then he goes to SPB would he get 
      AssertionB/SessionIndexB?

      
or still AssertionA/SessionIndexA ? or even 
      AssertionB/SessionIndexA 
  ?
There is no requirement as to the session 
  index value across different providers.  The key issue is that internally 
  at the IdP, the IdP is able to figure out which authentication "session" the 
  SP is referring to when the SP sends a message to the IdP (and vice-versa as 
  the user could also be visiting the same SP from two different IdP 
  authenticaiton sessions) (e.g. I could be shopping at Amazon from my phone and 
  from my computer at the same time).

I have seen implementations that 
  use the assertionID for the sessionIndex value (so that each Assertion would 
  have a different value in the session index value, but the IdP maintains a 
  table to correlate which SessionIndex corresponds to which session).  I 
  have also seen implementations that use small sets of small integers (e.g. 0, 
  1, 2, 3, etc) to represent the session index and the same value is used for 
  assertions associated with the same authentication session across multiple SPs 
  (the fact that it is a small set of small integers means that across different 
  principals the same IDs are heavily reused and so the Session index can't be 
  used to correlate actions of the same principal across different 
  SPs).

Conor