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Draft Minutes from 2008-08-19 are attached
Title: SCA-Assy - 2008-08-19
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SCA-Assembly TC
Teleconference
19 AUG 2008
Attendees
Present
fred carter, (AmberPoint)
Mark Combellack, (Avaya, Inc.)
Dale Moberg, (Axway Software*)
Tom Rutt, (Fujitsu Limited*)
Robert Freund, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Eric Wells, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Bryan Aupperle, (IBM)
Michael Beisiegel, (IBM)
David Booz, (IBM)
Mike Edwards, (IBM)
Simon Holdsworth, (IBM)
Jim Marino, (Individual)
Martin Chapman, (Oracle Corporation)
Anish Karmarkar, (Oracle Corporation)
Rich Levinson, (Oracle Corporation)
Ashok Malhotra, (Oracle Corporation)
Sanjay Patil, (SAP AG*)
Peter Walker, (Sun Microsystems)
Sabin Ielceanu, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Scott Vorthmann, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Chairs
Mike Edwards
Martin Chapman
Scribe
Bob Freund
Agenda:
1. Opening
Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Assembly TC meeting of 5th August and 12th August
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/29092/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-08-05.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/29091/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-08-12.html
3. Action Items:
2008-04-28-1 status=pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
2008-06-03-3 status=pending Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines
of the F2F discussion so that profitable discussion may continue this meeting.
2008-06-03-4 status=pending Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26 due=2008-12-24
2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
2008-07-22-3 status=pending Karmarkar to send an E-mail with details of use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
2008-07-22-4 status=done Booz to rewrite 11.2.1 to consider Simon N's use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
2008-08-05-1 status=done Owner=MikeE due=2008-08-12 Mike E to open discussion of ASSEMBLY-41 on E-mail list
2008-08-05-2 status=pending Mike Edwards: Material for Issue Assembly-16 to be worked into a full formal resolution.
2008-08-12-1 status=pending Chairs to coordinate milestones with Liaison committee
2008-08-12-2 status=pending Simon Nash to prepare a list of locations in the Assembly spec where psuedo-schemas are described
as "snippets" or "schemas"
4. New Issues
None
5. Existing Issues
ASSEMBLY-41 Conflicting domain-level deployments
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-41
Proposed resolution to the Issue:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00019.html
Discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00020.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00021.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00022.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00023.html
ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8
Latest proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00027.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00031.html
ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37
Waiting for a write-up based on discussions at the F2F meeting
ASSEMBLY-16 Component URI is not well described
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-16
Proposal requires write-up of 2 separate action items from the F2F
1) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00020.html
ASSEMBLY-33 Long-Running Request-Response Operations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-33
6. AOB
Next meeting is on August 25th
Contents
Topics
[1]
Opening
[2]
Action Items
[3]
New Issues
[4]
Existing Issues
[5]
ASSEMBLY-41 Conflicting domain-level deployments http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-41
[6]
ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8
[7]
AOB
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items
Action Items
Old:
2008-04-28-1: id=2008-04-28-1 status=pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
2008-06-03-3: id=2008-06-03-3 status=pending Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines
of the F2F discussion so that profitable discussion may continue this meeting.
2008-06-03-6: id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
2008-07-22-3: id=2008-07-22-3 status=pending Karmarkar to send an E-mail with details of use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
2008-07-22-4: id=2008-07-22-4 status=done Booz to rewrite 11.2.1 to consider Simon N's use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
2008-08-05-1: id=2008-08-05-1 status=done Owner=MikeE due=2008-08-12 Mike E to open discussion of ASSEMBLY-41 on E-mail list
2008-08-05-2: id=2008-08-05-2 status=pending Mike Edwards: Material for Issue Assembly-16 to be worked into a full formal resolution.
2008-08-12-1: id=2008-08-12-1 status=pending Chairs to coordinate milestones with Liaison committee
2008-08-12-2: id=2008-08-12-2 status=pending Simon Nash to prepare a list of locations in the Assembly spec where psuedo-schemas are described
as "snippets" or "schemas"
New:
Resolutions
2008-08-19-1: minutes of 2008-08-05 approved w/o
2008-08-19-2: minutes of 2008-08-12 approved w/o
Minutes
Scribe: Bob Freund
Opening
Roll - quorate with 13 of 25 voting members present
Agenda - agreed
Resolution: minutes of 2008-08-05 approved w/o
Resolution: minutes of 2008-08-12 approved w/o
Action Items
Action: id=2008-04-28-1 status=pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
Action: id=2008-06-03-3 status=pending Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines
of the F2F discussion so that profitable discussion may continue this meeting.
action id=2008-06-03-4 status=pending Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26 due=2008-12-24
Action: id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
Action: id=2008-07-22-3 status=pending Karmarkar to send an E-mail with details of use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
Action: id=2008-07-22-4 status=done Booz to rewrite 11.2.1 to consider Simon N's use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
Action: id=2008-08-05-1 status=done Owner=MikeE due=2008-08-12 Mike E to open discussion of ASSEMBLY-41 on E-mail list
Action: id=2008-08-05-2 status=pending Mike Edwards: Material for Issue Assembly-16 to be worked into a full formal resolution.
Action: id=2008-08-12-1 status=pending Chairs to coordinate milestones with Liaison committee
Action: id=2008-08-12-2 status=pending Simon Nash to prepare a list of locations in the Assembly spec where psuedo-schemas are described
as "snippets" or "schemas"
New Issues
HUZZAH! - none -
Existing Issues
ASSEMBLY-41 Conflicting domain-level deployments http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-41
proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00019.html see further discussion in the agenda above
Edwards discusses his rather lengthy proposal
<anish>
in a previous discussion we had talked about having a 'name' attribute for the <wire> element. This is wrt the identity issue
<Sanjay>
autowires are adding a ton of a complexity to the specs
<Martin C>
we also dont need targets AND wires
<Sanjay>
and it is hard for me to imagine a production environment that would use autowires
<Jim Marino>
Sanjay, we are using autowire in production :)
<anish>
one issue at the domain level is how do i wire a component A to component B when they are in different contributions without
the <wire> element
<Sanjay>
oops..sorry Jim I had forgotten that entire email discussion I had.
<anish>
that was a Q for Dave. I agree that there are some problems with <wire> element wrt deployment
<Dave Booz>
Sanjay, I think we will find that some form of controls will be needed to use autowires in production
<Dave Booz>
anish, you use the target attribute on comnponent A's reference...the domain is a composite like any other
<anish>
dave, that was what i was thinking, till i realized that it requires you to know the name of the component that you are wiring
to beforehand
<Sanjay>
Dave, I agree. The quesion is - do we want to make the autowire feature as optional? or do we want to standardize on the controls
for carefully using it?
<Dave Booz>
anish, i dont see a problem with that
<Jim Marino>
Sanjay, autowire is off by default IIRC
<Dale Moberg>
+1
<Dave Booz>
Sanjay, i'd have to check the spec...i thought it was already optional..i.e, you have to turn it on to get it in the Domain
<Dave Booz>
ok, Jim confirmed
<Sanjay>
Would implementations be required to support turning the autowire feature on/off?
<Jim Marino>
I believe so although I would need to look at the wording of the spec
<Jim Marino>
there may be weasel wording to not force support
<Sanjay>
so the optionality is for the users (customers) and not for the implementors (vendors)
<Jim Marino>
I believe so although I would need to check the wording
<Martin C>
that would depend on rfc2119 re-wording
<anish>
dave, the usecase I was thinking of was when the component that contains the service is deployed *after* the component containing
the reference was deployed
<Sanjay>
The only autowire feature we would like to support is - 'turning it off' :-)
<Jim Marino>
Sanjay, that would mean you would have to support it as on by default ;)
<Sanjay>
LOL
ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8
proposals are listed in agenda above
Booz discussed his proposal, although he states that he does not believe that it is a final proposal
Issues surrounding circularity and split namespaces dominated the discussion
Edwards:
Please continue the discussion on the email list.
AOB
straggler roll
<Mike Edwards>
really good discussion on Issue 8 - this namespace stuff is tricky
Adjourned
[End of Minutes]
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