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Draft Minutes of 2008-11-18 are attached
Title: SCA-Assy - 2008-11-18
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- DRAFT -
SCA-Assembly TC
Teleconference
18 NOV 2008
Attendees
Present
fred carter
AmberPoint
Group Member
Mark Combellack
Avaya, Inc.
Group Member
Dale Moberg
Axway Software*
Group Member
Jacques Durand
Fujitsu Limited*
Group Member
Tom Rutt
Fujitsu Limited*
Group Member
Robert Freund
Hitachi, Ltd.
Group Member
Eric Wells
Hitachi, Ltd.
Group Member
Bryan Aupperle
IBM
Group Member
Michael Beisiegel
IBM
Group Member
David Booz
IBM
Group Member
Graham Charters
IBM
Group Member
Mike Edwards
IBM
Group Member
Dieter Koenig
IBM
Group Member
Jim Marino
Individual
Group Member
Peter Furniss
Iris Financial Solutions Ltd.
Group Member
Jeff Estefan
Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*
Group Member
Martin Chapman
Oracle Corporation
Group Member
Khanderao Kand
Oracle Corporation
Group Member
Anish Karmarkar
Oracle Corporation
Group Member
Ashok Malhotra
Oracle Corporation
Group Member
Sanjay Patil
SAP AG*
Group Member
Plamen Pavlov
SAP AG*
Group Member
Peter Walker
Sun Microsystems
Group Member
Sabin Ielceanu
TIBCO Software Inc.
Group Member
Scott Vorthmann
TIBCO Software Inc.
Group Member
Chairs
Mike Edwards
Martin Chapman
Scribe
Bob Freund
Agenda:1. Opening
Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Assembly TC meeting of 4th November
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/30074/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-11-04.html
3. Action Items:
id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Editors to re-consider the application of the resolution to assembly-57
id=2008-09-16-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Add text to justify no operator overloading as described in DaveB's E-mail
id=2008-10-30-1 status=DONE Vorthmann to examine the specification and create text that implements the directional resolution
to Assembly-37
id=2008-10-30-3 status=pending Karmaker to develop concrete text consistent with the directional resolution to Assembly-36
id=2008-10-30-4 status=pending Editors to fix pseudoschemas a/r to be consistent with the resolution that resolves Assembly-32
id=2008-10-30-5 status=pending Vorthman to create a proposal relative to potential solution for issue 5
id=2008-10-30-6 status=pending Koenig do the detailed work to implement the resolution to Assembly-60
id=2008-10-30-8 status=pending Freund to draft a conformance statement
4. TC Administrivia
Consider status of call on November 25th due to US Thanksgiving
5. Conformance & Test
Consider approach to testing and test artifacts.
6. New Issues
None
7. Existing Issues
ASSEMBLY-33: Long-Running Request-Response Operations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-33
Latest proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00013.html
ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37
Latest proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00024.html
ASSEMBLY-88: Possible duplicate functionality offered by constrainingType and component
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-88
Latest proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00027.html
ASSEMBLY-89: Need for a Callback annotation for WSDL interface files
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-89
ASSEMBLY-90: Clarify @promote in the context of composite includes
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-90
ASSEMBLY-34: Define error handling
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-34
ASSEMBLY-46: Dynamic Aspects of the Domain not adequately described in the Assembly Specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-46
ASSEMBLY-5: component type allows to specify wire targets on references
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-5
ASSEMBLY-86: Abstract CRUD APIs for definitions infoset
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-86
ASSEMBLY-87: A single definitions infoset is not sufficient
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-87
ASSEMBLY-80: Create an Event Processing Model for SCA
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-80
ASSEMBLY-2: use of UML 2.0
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-2
ASSEMBLY-86: Abstract CRUD APIs for definitions infoset
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-86
ASSEMBLY-87: A single definitions infoset is not sufficient
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-87
ASSEMBLY-91: Details needed for sca:ConversationViolation
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-91
7. Issue Status
17 Open Issues
x opened
x resolved
8. AOB
Contents
Topics
[1]
Opening
[2]
Action Items
[3]
Administrivia
[4]
Active Issues
[5]
ASSEMBLY-33: Long-Running Request-Response Operations http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-33
[6]
ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37
[7]
ASSEMBLY-88: Possible duplicate functionality offered by constrainingType and component http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-88
[8]
AOB
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items
Action Items
Done:
id=2008-10-30-1 status=done Vorthmann to examine the specification and create text that implements the directional resolution to Assembly-37
id=2008-10-30-3 status=done Karmaker to develop concrete text consistent with the directional resolution to Assembly-36
id=2008-10-30-8 status=done Freund to draft a conformance statement
Pending:
id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Edwards to produce text that re-considers the application of the resolution to assembly-57
id=2008-09-16-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Add text to justify no operator overloading as described in DaveB's E-mail
id=2008-10-30-4 status=pending Editors to fix pseudoschemas a/r to be consistent with the resolution that resolves Assembly-32
id=2008-10-30-5 status=pending Vorthman to create a proposal relative to potential solution for issue 5
id=2008-10-30-6 status=pending Karmarkar do the detailed work to implement the resolution to Assembly-60
New:
id=2008-11-18-1 status=pending Edwards to coordinate and socialize this directional decision to the resolution of Assembly-33 with the affected TCs
Resolutions
2008-11-18-1: Minutes of 2008-11-04 approved w/o
2008-11-18-2: Set the direction for the resolution of Assembly-33 with the test on the first page of Proposal_mje.doc file located at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00028.html modified by removing the Java example w/o
2008-11-18-3: m:Vorthmann s:Sabin Set the direction for the resolution of Assembly-37 with the proposal contained in http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00024.html w/o
Minutes
Scribe: Bob Freund
Opening
Roll - quorate with 18 of 25 voting members present
Agenda - agreed
Will defer Conformance and test after conclusion of proposals
Resolution: Minutes of 2008-11-04 approved w/o
Action Items
Action: id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
Action: id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Edwards to produce text that re-considers the application of the resolution to assembly-57
Action: id=2008-09-16-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Add text to justify no operator overloading as described in DaveB's E-mail
Action: id=2008-10-30-1 status=done Vorthmann to examine the specification and create text that implements the directional resolution
to Assembly-37
Action: id=2008-10-30-3 status=done Karmaker to develop concrete text consistent with the directional resolution to Assembly-36
Action: id=2008-10-30-4 status=pending Editors to fix pseudoschemas a/r to be consistent with the resolution that resolves Assembly-32
Action: id=2008-10-30-5 status=pending Vorthman to create a proposal relative to potential solution for issue 5
Action: id=2008-10-30-6 status=pending Karmarkar do the detailed work to implement the resolution to Assembly-60
Action: id=2008-10-30-8 status=done Freund to draft a conformance statement
Administrivia
Next Tuesday's call will proceed as planned despite Thanksgiving
Active Issues
ASSEMBLY-33: Long-Running Request-Response Operations http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-33
proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00013.html
Edwards and Koenig discuss the proposal
Koenig:
proposal includes the proposal document as well as the background information
Booz:
I prefer to remove the Java material since the Java TC has not agreed to it
Edwards discussed his proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00028.html
Motion: m:Koenig s:Khanderao Resolve Assembly-33 with the test on the first page of Proposal_mje.doc file located at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00028.html modified by removing the Java example
Chapman:
I am not easy with resolving this since it does not demonstrate, for example, that java and BPEL would interoperate
Chapman and Edwards - perhaps it ought to be circulated to the language and bindings groups and determined to not be problematical
before we adopt it.
<anish>
dave, what would the c&i do, if the intent is present on the service but not on the reference?
<anish>
at the binding level, it is slightly easier because you would look at both ends
<anish>
for the c&i this is a little tricky
<Dave Booz>
Anish, I'm not sure this affects the C&I of a service
Amendment: m:Chapman s: Aupperle s/Resolve/ Set a direction for
<anish>
i didn't mean the service, i did mean the client
<anish>
the scenario is:
Amendment passes w/o
<anish>
there is no intent on the reference side but one on the service side
<anish>
what interfaces would be generated on the client side
<Scott Vorthmann>
I suspect the client just does what it does... the presence or absence of the intents helps the assembler know that the wire
won't work
<anish>
if the metadata on teh service side is not examined
<anish>
i guess my point is that: to do the "right thing" on the client side, you would have to look at both ends
<anish>
unless we mandate that the intent be present on the reference
Resolution: Set the direction for the resolution of Assembly-33 with the test on the first page of Proposal_mje.doc file located at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00028.html modified by removing the Java example w/o
Action: Edwards to coordinate and socialize this directional decision to the resolution of Assembly-33 with the affected TCs
ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37
proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00024.html
Vorthmann discusses his proposal
Resolution: m:Vorthmann s:Sabin Set the direction for the resolution of Assembly-37 with the proposal contained in http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00024.html w/o
ASSEMBLY-88: Possible duplicate functionality offered by constrainingType and component http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-88
proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00027.html
Chapman assumes chair
Edwards discusses his proposal
further action defered due to press of time
AOB
straggler roll
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