Raw Text Minutes from Bindings TC Meeting of 11th June 2009

Agenda:

Introductions 

Roll call 

Scribe assignment 

Agenda bashing 

2. Approval of the minutes from
4th June 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32803/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202009-06-04.doc

3. Actions 

20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP
binding use cases 

20090528-1 [Mike Edwards] Raise
a PR issues against Policy intent algorithm point 7 to address the SOAP
1.1 defaulting use case 

20090528-2 [Anish Karmarkar] Produce
updated draft for BINDINGS-2 cleaning up protocol composition and making
sure all keywords are part of conformance statements 

20090604-1 [Editors] Publish updated
CD02 revisions using the agreed naming 

20090604-2 [Simon Nash] Persue
the inability to modify the latest URL 

20090604-3 [Editors] Update WS
binding spec conformance statement/tag linking to match Assembly/JMS 

20090604-4 [Editors] Produce diffs
and list of applied issues in each of the spec latest revisions 

20090604-5 [Simon Holdsworth] Produce
updated proposal for BINDINGS-74 and 75 inline in the documents. 

4. New Issues 

Please note, as per resolution
on 9th October 2008, new issues received on the mailing list after Noon
GMT 1st November can only be opened using the same voting rules as re-opening
a closed issue (2/3 majority of a full TC vote) 

No new issues 

5. Document naming 

Discuss Simon's proposed note to
Mary about document names and URLs 

6. CD review comments 

Discuss review comments on latest
CD revisions. 

Specifically requested: BWS40005,
BWS40006 and BWS40007 in sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.doc 

Also list of contributors - assume
all voting members, or ask individuals to confirm? 

7. Open Issue and PRD Schedule

Current CD03 candidates: 

Web Services: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32884/sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.doc

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32885/sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.pdf

JMS: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32635/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.doc

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32790/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.pdf

JCA: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32638/sca-binding-jca-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.doc

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32791/sca-binding-jca-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.pdf

Discuss resetting current schedule:

Must have issues resolved by April
16th 

Public review draft available for
TC comments April 23rd 

Public review draft vote April
30th 

Test assertions complete one month
beyond PRD, test cases one month after that. 

Issues with proposed resolutions:
4 

Issues with identified owner, no
resolution: 0 

Issues with no identified owner:
0 

Survey outlook for issues with
no proposed resolution (marked with * in this list) 

Anish Karmarkar: 2 (pri 2) 

Simon Holdsworth: 74 (pri 1), 75
(pri 1), 48 (pri 3) 

8. Open Issue Discussion 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-74

JMS and JCA binding conformance
section insufficient (JMS) 

Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner:
Simon Holdsworth 

Priority: 1 

Status: Proposed resolution in
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32854/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2-issue74.doc

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-75

JMS and JCA binding conformance
section insufficient (JCA) 

Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner:
Simon Holdsworth 

Priority: 1 

Status: Proposed resolution in
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32853/sca-binding-jca-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2-issue75.doc

Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00036.html

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-2

How should SCA callback semantics
be carried over Web Services? 

Raiser: Simon Nash, owner: Anish
Karmarkar 

Priority: 2 

Status: Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200905/msg00098.html

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-48

How are mayProvide intents on bindings
satisfied 

Raiser: Ashok Malhotra, owner:
Simon Holdsworth 

Priority: 3 

Status: Proposed resolution: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200903/msg00005.html

Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200903/msg00059.html

9. AOB 

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Scribe: Mike Edwards

Item 1 Agenda Bashing

No changes

Item 2 Meeting Minutes

Minutes from 4th June

Accepted without change

Item 5 Document Naming

Email:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00032.html

Simon asks if the options presented
in that email are acceptable

Simon H: Yes, I am happy with them

Simon H: Do you intend us to republish
old specs with a new URI?

Simon N: Yes, so that folk will
have a full history in "new URI space"

Simon H: My preference is to leave
alone the stuff already published

Simon N: I could modify the proposal
so that only the new material goes under the new URIs

with redirects for the old stuff

Simon N: I'd strike the parenthetical
sentence from option #2 to make it consistent

Simon H: Option 2 would mean that
CD-01's latest link would not redirect and would point to itself always

Simon N: Option 2 means that the
existing stuff is cut loose

Anish: I want to confirm that is
what is going to happen

Anish: I don't like option 2 at
all

Simon N: So I need to say that
for option2 we would need to do updates to the redirects each time something
new is published

Item 6 CD Review Comments

ACTION: Anish to remove colon from
Web Service Binding CD02 Rev2 around conformance points BWS40005, BWS40006
and BWS40007

Question of list of contributors
- how should it be created?

Dave: On Policy & Assembly
we used the FULL member list to build the list and sent that out to the
list for approval

Item 3 Actions

20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP
binding use cases 

20090528-1 [Mike Edwards] Raise
a PR issues against Policy intent algorithm point 7 to address the SOAP
1.1 defaulting use case 

20090528-2 [Anish Karmarkar] Produce
updated draft for BINDINGS-2 cleaning up protocol composition and making
sure all keywords are part of conformance statements 

20090604-1 [Editors] Publish updated
CD02 revisions using the agreed naming

All outstanding

20090604-2 [Simon Nash] Persue
the inability to modify the latest URL

Complete

20090604-3 [Editors] Update WS
binding spec conformance statement/tag linking to match Assembly/JMS

Complete

20090604-4 [Editors] Produce diffs
and list of applied issues in each of the spec latest revisions

Complete

20090604-5 [Simon Holdsworth] Produce
updated proposal for BINDINGS-74 and 75 inline in the documents

Complete

Item 4 New Issues

Issue 76 binding.ws schema uses
##any instead of ##other

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-76

Dave B outlines the issue

Anish: Is it only in the spec or
is it in the schema files too?

Dave: It is in the schemas too,
but I have fixed versions ready to commit to the OASIS repository

Anish: Why are we specifying the
any here - it is in the base anyway

if this is an extension, it should
not be required

Dave B moves to open issue 76

Mike E seconds

Motion carried unanimously

Issue 76 is opened

Issue 77 binding.jms schema uses
<anyAttribute/> for schema attribute extensibility

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-77

Dave B moves to open Issue 77

Bryan seconds

Motion carried unanimously

Issue 77 is opened

Dave Booz CommonExtensionBase does
have attribute extensibility

Issue 78 binding.jca schema uses
##any instead of ##other

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-78

Dave B moves to open Issue 78

Eric seconds

Motion carried unanimously

Issue 78 is opened

anish so we should not have 'anyAttribute'
anywhere else

Issue 76 binding.ws schema uses
##any instead of ##other

Consideration of a resolution

Proposal:

Dave Booz: Remove lines 530-534,
538-539, 543 from  sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.pdf

<discussion of the text description
of the any attribute and any element in the body of the spec text>

Simon H: I think this is getting
too complex for a quick resolution

Dave: Can we separate the fixes
to the schema from the changes to the text?

Eric: I think we should deal with
both the schema and the pseudo-schema in one issue

Anish: We don't describe the extensibilty
points in the other specs like Assembly

Simon Holdsworth: Three parts:

Simon Holdsworth: Schema update:
Remove lines 530-534, 538-539, 543 from CD02 rev2

Simon Holdsworth: Pseudo schema
update: Remove ... from attributes and binding.ws element

Simon Holdsworth: Pseudo schema
description update: Remove bullet describing @{any} and any children of
binding.ws

anish: it seems to me that we should
not use any/anyAttribute on abstract elements that are head of substitution
groups

anish thanks eric for noticing
this. now that I think about it, i had encountered a similar problem in
the past and had completely forgotten about it

Simon H: Take dicusssion about
a proposal to the mail list

Anish: Isn't this straightforward?

Simon H: We need to go thru details
and we don't have the time now

COB

Yours,  Mike.

Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.

Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.

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