Minutes Raw Text for TC Meeting of 4th March

Agenda

1. Opening 

Introductions 

Roll call 

Scribe assignment 

Top of the scribe list: 

Plamen Pavlov SAP AG 

Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited 

Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation 

Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation 

David Booz IBM 

Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. 

Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc.

Bryan Aupperle IBM 

Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation 

Agenda bashing 

2. Approval of the minutes from 25th
February: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36574/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202010-02-25.doc

3. Actions 

20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding
use cases 

20090709-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding
schema appendix title to include 1.1 

20091015-8 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #8 - look at whether the non-normative references section is relevant
still, or needs to be populated (WS binding) 

20091015-9 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #9 - clean up naming conventions section (WS binding) 

20091015-10 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #10 - look for cleanup to clarify optionality (WS binding) 

20091015-12 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #16 - mark Annexes as normative or not as appropriate (all specs)

20100218-2 [Editors] Make corresponding
changes in WS spec as per http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200912/msg00013.html

4. New Issues 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-124

No conformance target for non-SCA runtimes
that want to implement SCA WS Callback Protocol 

5. Discuss proposed TC schedule 

Updated following discussion on call
of 25th Feb 

Consider date by which open issues are
to be closed or deferred; also consider raising open vote to 2/3. 

4th March: Focus on issues 87, 118 

11th March: Focus on issues 111, 120,
121, 122, 123; bindings specs and TA documents updated for all currently
resolved issues and ready for review for cd review. 

18th March: cd vote on bindings specs
and TA documents; discuss production of test case documents/test cases

25th March: Submit cd04 of bindings
specs for second public review; Initial test case documents and test cases
prepared for discussion/review 

22nd April: Test cases complete 

29th April: Submit cd01 of TA documents
and test cases for public review 

6. Test Assertions/Test cases 

Current status: 

Overall: Awaiting current set of issues
to be resolved and applied, at which point editors will need to update
TA docs and then we can review them with the aim of getting to CD. 

Web Service binding TA document: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34571/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.odt

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34572/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.pdf

Status: Draft completed and issues raised;
needs to be updated for resolved issues 

JMS TA document: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36374/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd05.doc

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36375/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd05.pdf

Status: Needs final tidy up for cd review

JCA TA document: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36155/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.doc

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36156/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.pdf

Comment: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200909/msg00011.html

Status: Needs to be updated for resolved
issues 

7. Open issue discussion 

Public review comment issues: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-87

Web Service callback standard is best
done by the appropriate Web Services working groups 

Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned

Priority: 1 (PR comment needing disposition)

Status: latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200911/msg00001.html

Other open issues: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-111

binding.jms uses JMS URI scheme even
though it is not a valid IETF internet draft 

Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Unassigned

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Pending response from Oracle
with respect to approval of the IETF draft 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-118

BWS40005 is ambiguous 

Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Unassigned

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Proposal in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00088.html

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-120

Missing normative statements for JCA
@uri 

Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon
Holdsworth 

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Propsed resolution in JIRA 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-121

Missing normative statements for binding.jca
inboundOperation 

Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon
Holdsworth 

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Propsed resolution in JIRA 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-122

Missing normative statements for binding.jca
outboundInteraction 

Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon
Holdsworth 

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Propsed resolution in JIRA 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-123

Missing normative statements for @type
attributes 

Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon
Holdsworth 

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Propsed resolution in JIRA 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60

JMS Default wire format insufficient
to cover real world usage 

Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Simon Holdsworth

Priority: 3 (deferred) 

Status: outline proposal in issue 

8. AOB

Scribe: Mike Edwards

90% of voting members present

Item 1 Agenda Bashing

no changes

Item 2 Minutes from Previous Meeting

Minutes from 25th February

Minutes are approved without change

Item 3 Action Items

20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding
use cases 

20090709-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding
schema appendix title to include 1.1 

20091015-8 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #8 - look at whether the non-normative references section is relevant
still, or needs to be populated (WS binding) 

20091015-9 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #9 - clean up naming conventions section (WS binding) 

20091015-10 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #10 - look for cleanup to clarify optionality (WS binding) 

20091015-12 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99
point #16 - mark Annexes as normative or not as appropriate (all specs)

20100218-2 [Editors] Make corresponding
changes in WS spec as per http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200912/msg00013.html

Anish is working on a new draft of the
WS Binding spec that should complete most of these

Item 4. New Issues 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-124

No conformance target for non-SCA runtimes
that want to implement SCA WS Callback Protocol

Anish discusses the issue

Latest Proposal:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201003/msg00000.html

Anish describes the outline of the proposal

- new conformance targets and related
conformance requirements

Eric: Concern I have is that the way
forward is to define targets not specific to SCA - and that this might
fall outside our charter.  We would also have to define test suite
components that would not be SCA based - that would be a lot of work.

Anish: I think that it is in scope.
Defining what clients and services have to do is within the scope of the
charter.

- with respect to testing, I have not
thought of that.

- perhaps all we need to do is to test
between SCA runtimes.

- testing is a larger discussion

Martin: I think that this is in scope.
 There is no change in function here - is just a relabelling - it
means no change to the tests either.

Tom: If we write the conformance claims
right, the tests will be the same for any implmentation, SCA or non-SCA.
 So we don't

need to "test the world".

Anish: We should try to enable interoperability
and bring clarity to this.

Anish moves to open Issue 124.  Seconded
by Martin.

Item 5. TC Schedule

Proposed schedule:

4th March: Focus on issues 87, 118 

11th March: Focus on issues 111, 120,
121, 122, 123; bindings specs and TA documents updated for all currently
resolved issues and ready for review for cd review. 

18th March: cd vote on bindings specs
and TA documents; discuss production of test case documents/test cases

25th March: Submit cd04 of bindings
specs for second public review; Initial test case documents and test cases
prepared for discussion/review 

22nd April: Test cases complete 

29th April: Submit cd01 of TA documents
and test cases for public review 

Item 7 Open Issues

Issue 118

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-118

BWS40005 is ambiguous 

Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Unassigned

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Proposal in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00088.html

Simon discusses the issue and the proposal
above.

anish: FWIW, simon, your proposal looks
good to me

Simon: Makes the behaviour of the simple
forms of <binding.ws/> will be predictable

Anish: Question: not certain if we need
to add policySets to the list.

Simon: Probably it was an oversight
to leave them out.

- include policySets in that list

anish: In the event that the transport
details are not determined by use of the @wsdlElement attribute, policy
intents, policy sets, or extensions to the binding.ws element, an SCA runtime
MUST enable the default transport binding rules.

Mike moves to resolve Issue 118 by replacing
the BWS40005 normative statement with the following: In the event that
the transport details are not determined by use of the @wsdlElement attribute,
policy intents, policySets, or extensions to the binding.ws element, an
SCA runtime MUST enable the default transport binding rules.

Dave seconds

Anish: Should @uri be included in that
list?

anish: In the event that the transport
details are not determined by use of the @wsdlElement attribute, @uri attribute,
endpointReference element, policy intents, policy sets or extensions to
the binding.ws element, an SCA runtime MUST enable the default transport
binding rules.

Eric moves to amend the motion with
the text proposed by Anish above

seconded by Anish

Amendment is approved

Amended motion is passed unanimoulsy

Issue 87: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-87

Web Service callback standard is best
done by the appropriate Web Services working groups 

Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned

Priority: 1 (PR comment needing disposition)

Status: latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200911/msg00001.html

Anish discusses the points in the email
above

Simon: So the email has the response
to the original comment: no changes to the specs?

Anish: Yes

Simon: Is the TC happy for a response
to be drafted along the lines of the first 3 items in the email?

Tom: Moves to close Issue 87 with no
change to the specification.

Eric seconds

Motion passes unanimously

Issue 87 is closed

ACTION: 20100304-01: (Anish) Draft a
formal response to the original PR comment, ready for TC review.

(for Issue 87)

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