Re: [sca-bindings] Minutes Raw Text for TC Meeting of 4th March

Simon,

Your recollection is correct.

9 for, 2 against.

Sorry that I did not spot that was missing.

Yours,  Mike.

Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.

Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.

IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.

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Simon Holdsworth/UK/IBM@IBMGB

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Date:
08/03/2010 09:56

Subject:
Re: [sca-bindings] Minutes Raw Text
for TC Meeting of 4th March

Mike, 

Thanks for recording this.  In turning this into the minutes document,
I notice that the vote for opening issue 124 is not mentioned.  This
may have been around the time that we had issues with the chat room application.
 My recollection is that the vote went 9 for, 2 against, please confirm
this before I post the final minutes in the doc repository.

Thanks, Simon 

Simon Holdsworth

STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA Bindings TC Chair,
AT&T and Boeing Lab Advocate

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From:

Mike Edwards/UK/IBM@IBMGB

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"OASIS Bindings" <>

Date:

08/03/2010 07:24

Subject:

[sca-bindings] Minutes Raw Text for
TC Meeting of 4th March

Agenda 

1. Opening 

Introductions 

Roll call 

Scribe assignment 

Top of the scribe list: 

Plamen Pavlov SAP AG 

Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited 

Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation 

Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation 

David Booz IBM 

Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. 

Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc. 

Bryan Aupperle IBM 

Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation 

Agenda bashing 

2. Approval of the minutes from 25th February: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36574/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202010-02-25.doc

3. Actions 

20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding use cases 

20090709-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding schema appendix title to include
1.1 

20091015-8 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #8 - look at whether the non-normative
references section is relevant still, or needs to be populated (WS binding)

20091015-9 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #9 - clean up naming conventions
section (WS binding) 

20091015-10 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #10 - look for cleanup to clarify
optionality (WS binding) 

20091015-12 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #16 - mark Annexes as normative
or not as appropriate (all specs) 

20100218-2 [Editors] Make corresponding changes in WS spec as per http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200912/msg00013.html

4. New Issues 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-124

No conformance target for non-SCA runtimes that want to implement SCA WS
Callback Protocol 

5. Discuss proposed TC schedule 

Updated following discussion on call of 25th Feb 

Consider date by which open issues are to be closed or deferred; also consider
raising open vote to 2/3. 

4th March: Focus on issues 87, 118 

11th March: Focus on issues 111, 120, 121, 122, 123; bindings specs and
TA documents updated for all currently resolved issues and ready for review
for cd review. 

18th March: cd vote on bindings specs and TA documents; discuss production
of test case documents/test cases 

25th March: Submit cd04 of bindings specs for second public review; Initial
test case documents and test cases prepared for discussion/review 

22nd April: Test cases complete 

29th April: Submit cd01 of TA documents and test cases for public review

6. Test Assertions/Test cases 

Current status: 

Overall: Awaiting current set of issues to be resolved and applied, at
which point editors will need to update TA docs and then we can review
them with the aim of getting to CD. 

Web Service binding TA document: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34571/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.odt

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34572/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.pdf

Status: Draft completed and issues raised; needs to be updated for resolved
issues 

JMS TA document: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36374/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd05.doc

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36375/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd05.pdf

Status: Needs final tidy up for cd review 

JCA TA document: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36155/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.doc

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36156/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.pdf

Comment: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200909/msg00011.html

Status: Needs to be updated for resolved issues 

7. Open issue discussion 

Public review comment issues: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-87

Web Service callback standard is best done by the appropriate Web Services
working groups 

Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned 

Priority: 1 (PR comment needing disposition) 

Status: latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200911/msg00001.html

Other open issues: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-111

binding.jms uses JMS URI scheme even though it is not a valid IETF internet
draft 

Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Unassigned 

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Pending response from Oracle with respect to approval of the IETF
draft 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-118

BWS40005 is ambiguous 

Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Unassigned 

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Proposal in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00088.html

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-120

Missing normative statements for JCA @uri 

Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth 

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Propsed resolution in JIRA 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-121

Missing normative statements for binding.jca inboundOperation 

Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth 

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Propsed resolution in JIRA 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-122

Missing normative statements for binding.jca outboundInteraction 

Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth 

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Propsed resolution in JIRA 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-123

Missing normative statements for @type attributes 

Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth 

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Propsed resolution in JIRA 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60

JMS Default wire format insufficient to cover real world usage 

Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Simon Holdsworth 

Priority: 3 (deferred) 

Status: outline proposal in issue 

8. AOB 

Scribe: Mike Edwards 

90% of voting members present 

Item 1 Agenda Bashing 

no changes 

Item 2 Minutes from Previous Meeting 

Minutes from 25th February 

Minutes are approved without change 

Item 3 Action Items 

20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding use cases 

20090709-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding schema appendix title to include
1.1 

20091015-8 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #8 - look at whether the non-normative
references section is relevant still, or needs to be populated (WS binding)

20091015-9 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #9 - clean up naming conventions
section (WS binding) 

20091015-10 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #10 - look for cleanup to clarify
optionality (WS binding) 

20091015-12 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #16 - mark Annexes as normative
or not as appropriate (all specs) 

20100218-2 [Editors] Make corresponding changes in WS spec as per http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200912/msg00013.html

Anish is working on a new draft of the WS Binding spec that should complete
most of these 

Item 4. New Issues 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-124

No conformance target for non-SCA runtimes that want to implement SCA WS
Callback Protocol 

Anish discusses the issue 

Latest Proposal: 

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201003/msg00000.html

Anish describes the outline of the proposal 

- new conformance targets and related conformance requirements

Eric: Concern I have is that the way forward is to define targets not specific
to SCA - and that this might fall outside our charter.  We would also
have to define test suite components that would not be SCA based - that
would be a lot of work. 

Anish: I think that it is in scope. Defining what clients and services
have to do is within the scope of the charter. 

- with respect to testing, I have not thought of that.

- perhaps all we need to do is to test between SCA runtimes.

- testing is a larger discussion 

Martin: I think that this is in scope.  There is no change in function
here - is just a relabelling - it means no change to the tests either.

Tom: If we write the conformance claims right, the tests will be the same
for any implmentation, SCA or non-SCA.  So we don't

need to "test the world". 

Anish: We should try to enable interoperability and bring clarity to this.

Anish moves to open Issue 124.  Seconded by Martin.

Item 5. TC Schedule 

Proposed schedule: 

4th March: Focus on issues 87, 118 

11th March: Focus on issues 111, 120, 121, 122, 123; bindings specs and
TA documents updated for all currently resolved issues and ready for review
for cd review. 

18th March: cd vote on bindings specs and TA documents; discuss production
of test case documents/test cases 

25th March: Submit cd04 of bindings specs for second public review; Initial
test case documents and test cases prepared for discussion/review 

22nd April: Test cases complete 

29th April: Submit cd01 of TA documents and test cases for public review

Item 7 Open Issues 

Issue 118 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-118

BWS40005 is ambiguous 

Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Unassigned 

Priority: Unassigned 

Status: Proposal in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00088.html

Simon discusses the issue and the proposal above. 

anish: FWIW, simon, your proposal looks good to me

Simon: Makes the behaviour of the simple forms of <binding.ws/> will
be predictable 

Anish: Question: not certain if we need to add policySets to the list.

Simon: Probably it was an oversight to leave them out.

- include policySets in that list 

anish: In the event that the transport details are not determined by use
of the @wsdlElement attribute, policy intents, policy sets, or extensions
to the binding.ws element, an SCA runtime MUST enable the default transport
binding rules. 

Mike moves to resolve Issue 118 by replacing the BWS40005 normative statement
with the following: In the event that the transport details are not determined
by use of the @wsdlElement attribute, policy intents, policySets, or extensions
to the binding.ws element, an SCA runtime MUST enable the default transport
binding rules. 

Dave seconds 

Anish: Should @uri be included in that list? 

anish: In the event that the transport details are not determined by use
of the @wsdlElement attribute, @uri attribute, endpointReference element,
policy intents, policy sets or extensions to the binding.ws element, an
SCA runtime MUST enable the default transport binding rules.

Eric moves to amend the motion with the text proposed by Anish above

seconded by Anish 

Amendment is approved 

Amended motion is passed unanimoulsy 

Issue 87: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-87

Web Service callback standard is best done by the appropriate Web Services
working groups 

Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned 

Priority: 1 (PR comment needing disposition) 

Status: latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200911/msg00001.html

Anish discusses the points in the email above 

Simon: So the email has the response to the original comment: no changes
to the specs? 

Anish: Yes 

Simon: Is the TC happy for a response to be drafted along the lines of
the first 3 items in the email? 

Tom: Moves to close Issue 87 with no change to the specification.

Eric seconds 

Motion passes unanimously 

Issue 87 is closed 

ACTION: 20100304-01: (Anish) Draft a formal response to the original PR
comment, ready for TC review. 

(for Issue 87) 

COB 

Yours,  Mike.

Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.

Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.

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741598. 

Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6
3AU 

Unless stated otherwise above:

IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number
741598. 

Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6
3AU