Re: [sca-bindings] NEW ISSUE: Testing experience suggests requirementsBWS40002 & BWS40003 are too strict for services

Jim,

You're almost certainly right that this
approach of inserting handlers which inspect the namespace of the SOAP
messages would do the job

- and it is likely that this could be
done for most implementations of Web services.

My disappointment is that (certainly
for Axis), the generated WSDL contains the SOAP 1.1 bindings even when
you ask for SOAP 1.2 (you can

suppress the SOAP 1.2 bindings, but
not the SOAP 1.1 ones). It seems very odd to advertise support for SOAP
1.1 and then have a handler

raise an exception when SOAP 1.1 is
received.

So, perhaps it can be done, although
at a little cost.   Perhaps that cost does not matter, since most
folks are not going to care about which

version of SOAP they are using, but
for those that DO care, then getting the right SOAP version must matter
and the cost is not very relevant.

Yours,  Mike.

Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.

Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.

IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.

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From:
Jim Marino <>

To:
OASIS Bindings <>

Date:
01/07/2010 16:55

Subject:
Re: [sca-bindings] NEW ISSUE: Testing
experience suggests requirements BWS40002 & BWS40003 are too strict
for services

As quick thought, have you tried inserting a JAX-WS handler
that checks the message version (I'm assuming Axis2 supports JAX-WS handlers
since it claims to be JAX-WS compliant)? 

I'm pretty sure Metro (the JAX-WS RI) can also be configured
at a lower level to do this by inserting a custom Tube into the processing
chain that handles requests. WSIT layers on top of Metro in this way to
provide support for WS-Policy, WS-Security and reliable messaging. We've
done this for a number of things in Fabric3 as well, including integrating
WS-Security with the F3 authentication and authorization infrastructure.
In general, we have found Metro to be easier to deal with than Axis2.

Jim

On Jul 1, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Edwards wrote:

Bryan, 

The client (JAXWS) side is set up so that it either sends SOAP 1.1 or SOAP
1.2.  The SCA server side uses Tuscany which uses Axis2.

We can't (yet) find a way to get Axis2 to stop accepting SOAP 1.1 messages
for a simple <binding.ws requires="SOAP.v1_2"/> binding.

We have not tried using a WSDL on the server side, but that is missing
the point, since the test is trying to test the simple binding of the form
above. 

Yours,  Mike.

Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.

Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.

IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.

Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014    Mobile: +44-7802-467431  

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From:

Bryan Aupperle <>

To:

OASIS SCA Bindings <>

Date:

30/06/2010 14:39

Subject:

Re: [sca-bindings] NEW ISSUE: Testing
experience suggests requirements BWS40002 & BWS40003 are too strict
for services

Mike, 

   when you were trying to force a service to only receive messages
using SOAPI 1.2, what happened if the only binding in the WSDL had a <SOAP:binding/>
element with the transport attribute set to the SOAP 1.2 URL (http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap/bindings/HTTP/)?

I think you can control this using the JAX-WS @BindingType annotation.

Bryan Aupperle, Ph.D.

STSM, WebSphere Enterprise Platform Software Solution Architect

WW Center of Excellence for Enterprise Systems & Banking Center of
Excellence Application Integration Architect

Research Triangle Park,  NC 

+1 919-254-7508 (T/L 444-7508)

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From:

Eric Johnson <>

To:

OASIS SCA Bindings <>

Date:

06/17/2010 06:59 PM

Subject:

[sca-bindings] NEW ISSUE: Testing experience
suggests requirements BWS40002 & BWS40003 are too strict for services

Target: sca-wsbinding-1.1-spec-cd03

Title: Testing experience suggests requirements BWS40002 & BWS40003
are

too strict for services

Description:

Current normative statements:

When the SOAP.1_1 intent is required, the SCA runtime MUST transmit and

receive messages using only SOAP 1.1. [BWS40002]

When the SOAP.1_2 intent is required, the SCA runtime MUST transmit and

receive messages using only SOAP 1.2. [BWS40003]

Mike Edward's experience in creating test cases suggests that at least

two existing implementations (Axis, JAX-WS reference implementation) of

SOAP stacks will gladly accept SOAP 1.1 or SOAP 1.2 at a given endpoint,

and that restricting them to only allowing SOAP 1.1 or SOAP 1.2 is

actually tricky, if it is even possible.

This suggests that the normative statements, when applied to *services*

are perhaps overly strict.  Note that it still makes sense to have
these

policy intents on references.

Proposal:

Change the normative statements to read as follows:

When the SOAP.1_1 intent is required on a reference, the SCA runtime

MUST transmit and receive messages using only SOAP 1.1. [BWS40002]

When the SOAP.1_2 intent is required on a reference, the SCA runtime

MUST transmit and receive messages using only SOAP 1.2. [BWS40003]

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