Re: [sca-j] Fw: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names

Simon,

I am happy with org.oasisopen.xxxx for
the package names.

It's a bit long, but no underscores
removes a big objection on my part..

Yours,  Mike.

Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.

Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.

IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.

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Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB

06/05/2008 09:43

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[sca-j] Fw: Appeal of the OASIS decision
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The appeal has triggered a response from Mary.  See below for the
thread of discussion.  Mary's proposal is for the package name prefix
to be org.oasisopen, eliminating the underscore.  If the SCA-J TC
finds this package name prefix acceptable, OASIS would approach the owner
of oasisopen.org to investigate purchasing the domain.

What do TC members think about org.oasisopen as a package name prefix?

    Simon 

Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer

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Mary, 

Thanks for the clarification.  I understand the distinction and I
will put this on the agenda for this week's SCA-J TC call.

    Simon 

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Yes – oasisopen.org appears to be owned by someone just sitting on the
domain – if it’s agreeable we can look into what it would take to purchase
it if that’s absolutely required. Conversely, oasis.org is a live site
– a gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution.

  

Mary 

  

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Mary, 

The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the domain
oasis.org.  If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen
despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would OASIS be willing to
offer the prefix org.oasis?  It would seem inconsistent to offer one
of these but not the other.

The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently unowned
and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS.  If this is not
a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis.  In expressing
this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf of the TC.

   Simon 

Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer

Member of the IBM Academy of Technology

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Hi all, 

 

 My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been at
the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and literally
just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike Edwards about
this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use of the underscore
is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all agree that underscores
are thorny characters and would prefer to omit them. I asked Mike if he
thought simply dropping the hyphen would be acceptable and he indicated
that he thought it would – i.e. org.oasisopen.csa.  

 

 Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this conversation.
If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge.

 

Regards, 

 

Mary 

 

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Subject: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names

 

The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal the
decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]).  This appeal is
being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by the
OASIS TC Process.  In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its
backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. 

Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.

TECHNICAL 

(Summary) 

The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming
conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by
Java developers. 

(Detail) 

The decision comes in two parts.

1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from
"org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled
by OASIS. 

2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be
used by the SCA-J TC. 

This appeal concerns the second part of the decision.  The SCA-J TC
discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix
of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:

1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming
conventions.  Specifically, the use of an underscore in package names
is highly unusual and unconventional. 

2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type.  When
talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot oasis
underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext".  When typing these
APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered.  Both
of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.

3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name prefix
would not be liked by Java developers.  Specifically, package names
containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names in the
JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.

The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the
convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition,
section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name.  In order
to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need
to be derived from some other domain name.  The SCA-J TC discussed
some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being
suitable and acceptable.  This would require that OASIS acquires the
corresponding domain name, which is currently available.

PROCEDURAL 

(Summary) 

This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier decision
was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite multiple efforts
by the TC to engage in dialogue.

(Detail) 

This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]).  She sent a
decision on March 7 (ref.[3])  On March 10 she asked us to hold off
from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions
to be answered (ref. [4]). 

I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS staff
involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC.  She
did not respond.  On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) repeating
my invitation to discuss this with the TC.  Again, she did not respond.

On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that completely
reversed the original decision.  There had been no consultation with
the TC about this change to the decision, despite my two invitations to
have this discussion.  She also indicated that the decision was final
(despite the lack of discussion) and that it could only be changed by formal
appeal. 

This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons stated
above. 

On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with
a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if
we could resolve this without need for an appeal.  She acknowledged
the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days.  She
has not done so. 

At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC has
exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution through
dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.

We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.

  Simon Nash    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair

  Michael Rowley    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS
SCA-J TC Co-Chair 

  Michael Beisiegel    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
Member 

  David Booz    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member

  Mark Combellack    Avaya Inc.    OASIS SCA-J
TC Voting Member 

  Martin Chapman    Oracle Corporation    OASIS
SCA-J TC Voting Member 

  Jim Marino    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J
TC Voting Member 

  Anish Karmarkar    Oracle Corporation    OASIS
SCA-J TC Voting Member 

  Ashok Malhotra    Oracle Corporation    OASIS
SCA-J TC Member 

REFERENCES 

[1] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html

[2] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html

[3] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html

[4] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html

[5] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html

[6] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html

[7] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html

[8] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html

Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer

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