Raw text from Java TC call, 7th August 2009

Mark Combellack: - Roll Call

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=sca-j

- Appointment of scribe. List attached
below

- Agenda bashing

- Approval of minutes for 3rd August
2009

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33626/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-08-03.doc

0. Administration 

- Issue Status: Open: 22

- SCA-J Public Review

    Started: 8th June 2009

    Ends:    7th
August 2009

1. Review action items:

Action Items that I believe are done:

Action Items that I believe are still
to be done:

2008-11-11-22: Mark to draw up some
wording for Direction 1 (as discussed at the November F2F) for JAVA-62

2008-11-11-23: Mark (and others prepared
to help) to investigate the WorkManager JEE spec and determine its applicability
to SCA for JAVA-62

2009-05-11-01: Editors: remove extra
space on line 767 of CD01 (PDF)

2009-06-19-01: Mike E to prepare a detailed
proposal for Issue 149

2009-07-06-01: Dave B to raise to liaison
(so that other C&Is can consider and possibly assembly) that non-XML
based C&Is should state how the conversion of property values happens

2009-07-13-01: Mike E to produce text
for JAVA-167

2009-07-13-03: Anish to create a proposal
for the list of annotations which make sense for JAVA-166

2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example
of the componentType introspection (JAVA-5

2009-07-27-01: Chairs to find potential
replacement time for one or both of the cancelled calls.

2009-07-27-02: Mike E to prepare set
of slides for Issue 127

2. New Issues

None

3. Open Issues

a. JAVA-106: RFC2119 Language is needed
for Spring C&I Specification

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-106

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00011.html

MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33681/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD02%20Issue106v4.doc

PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33682/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD02%2BIssue106v4.pdf

b. JAVA-173: SCA Spring C & I specification
should mention how implicit services should be determined for special bean
definitions

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-173

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00006.html

c. JAVA-175: SCA Spring C & I specification
should use "id" of the bean to uniquely identify a bean instead
of its name

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-175

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00007.html

d. JAVA-163: Spring C&I sca-spring:reference
element has a default attribute which is unexplained

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-163

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00014.html

e. JAVA-107: RFC2119 Language is needed
for the EJB Binding Specification

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-107

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00100.html

PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33580/sca-ejbbinding-1.1-spec-wd-04%20issue107_v3.pdf

MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33579/sca-ejbbinding-1.1-spec-wd-04%20issue107_v3.doc

Latest discussion: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00111.html

f. JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification
need to mention how SCA runtime should load multiple application context
files.

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00083.html

4. Issues waiting for updated proposals

a. JAVA-149: SCA Spring C & I specification
need to specify the limitations of implicit references

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-149

Proposal in Jira

Waiting for updated proposal

b. JAVA-114: Spring CI runtime behaviour
when annotation rules are violated

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-114

Proposal in Jira

Blocked by JAVA-166

c. JAVA-166: Spring C&I does not
say anything about SCA annotations

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-166

Waiting for list of Annotations (Anish
Action Item)

d. JAVA-167: SCA Spring C & I specification
should make type attribute as optional for <sca:service/> element

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-167

Outline proposal in Jira

Waiting for full proposal (Mike E Action
Item)

5. Issues with no proposals

a. JAVA-63: SCA Spring C & I specification
does not state whether Constructor Injection should be supported

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-63

No proposal

b. JAVA-174: Consider portlets in the
SCA JEE specification

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-174

6. AOB

a. Straggler roll call

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Rotating scribe list:

Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation (12)

Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation (11)

Graham Charters IBM (5)

Mike Edwards IBM (12)

Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation (13)

Bryan Aupperle IBM (14)

Yang Lei (10)

Simon Nash Individual (10)

Scribe: Martin C

Topic: agenda

Agenda approved

Topic: Minutes

Approval of minutes for 3rd August 2009

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33626/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-08-03.doc

no comments, minutes approved

topic: admin

PR finishes today

Topic: action items

all ongoing

topic: new issues

none

topic: open issues

 issue 106

latest proposal at http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-106

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00011.html

MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33681/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD02%20Issue106v4.doc

PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33682/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD02%2BIssue106v4.pdf

appendix A 467-468

mike goes through changes

Mike E moves to resolve issue 106 with
the proposal linked above

2nd Yang

Passed w/o

Action: Mike to create wd03 for the
spring spec

Issue 173

Martin C: JAVA-173: SCA Spring C &
I specification should mention how implicit services should be determined
for special bean definitions

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-173

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00006.html

Martin C: Ram goes over his proposal

Martin C: Anish seeks some clarifications

Martin C: i cant minute fax tones

Ramkumar R: I got disconnected... will
dial back

Mark Combellack: Ok we shall wait for
you to return

anish: can we specify the package?

Martin C: suggestion to update proposal
when wd03 is produced

Martin C: Ram will update proposal

Martin C: Issua 175

Martin C: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-175

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00007.html

Martin C: Ram goes over his proposal

Mike Edwards: Ram - Spring allows 0
or 1 IDs and 0..n names for a bean - and they must ALL be unique, according
to the Spring documentation

Mike Edwards: so you can use any one
of them

Mike Edwards: it is also true that a
Bean can be defined WITHOUT an ID OR a name

Martin C: can someone take over scribe
for a few minutes

anish: this is what the doc says:

anish: "Every bean has one or more
ids (also called identifiers, or names; these terms refer to the same thing).
These ids must be unique within the container the bean is hosted in. A
bean will almost always have only one id, but if a bean has more than one
id, the extra ones can essentially be considered aliases.

When using XML-based configuration metadata,
you use the 'id' or 'name' attributes to specify the bean identifier(s)."

Martin C: back

Mark Combellack: Outline algorithm:
Take the first ID if set. If not take the first name. If neither ID or
name set then don't expose service

Mark Combellack: Outline algorithm:
Take the ID if set. If not take the first name. If neither ID or name set
then don't expose service

Martin C: Ram will revise his proposal
using this outline algorithm

Mark Combellack: (Ram's updated proposal
to be based on Spring WD03)

Martin C: Issue 163

Martin C: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-163

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00014.html

Martin C: Anish goes over his proposal

Martin C: Anish Moves to close issue
163 no action, 2nd Mike e

Martin C: passed w/o

Martin C: Issue 107

Martin C: Dave on loa so skip over

Martin C: Issue 150

Martin C: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00083.html

Ram describes his proposal.

Mike: Why the 2 different approaches
here?

Anish: These are 2 alternatives and
we should choose 1

Ram: These are 2 alternatives either
of which should work

Anish: Can either of these approaches
allow a reference to made in 1 app context file which is to a bean in another
app context file

?

Ram: Essentially yes, it is possible
to make a reference of that kind

Time folks

COB

Yours,  Mike.

Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.

Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.

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