" It demonstrates that you
have a date index that can be used for range searches …. "
Now I don't want to open up a
whole nother can of worms. But doesn't this argue for yet one more
element … a query. If you return the term “20101017
20101023” is the client likely to be able to formulate a valid query
without any help? We do it for facets, return a query with each facet
term.
--Ray
From: LeVan,Ralph
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Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 10:28 AM
To: Edo Plantinga;
Subject: RE: [search-ws-comment] "Last Week" is a bad idea for
<actualValue>
The has nothing to do with
client-defined range facets. The client has the option to specify what
facets get returned and the server gets to decide what ranges are returned to
the client. None of that has changed.
The issue is the value that gets
returned in the server-defined range. Ed has advocated for the
<actualValue> returned to be a magic string such as “Last
Week”. I suggest that a more useful value for developer educational
purposes would be “20101017 20101023” as it would show the
developer how to use ranges in other queries. It demonstrates that you
have a date index that can be used for range searches and you give an example
of such a range search in your facet response. This gets away from server
“magic” and teaches the developer something about your
server’s capabilities.
Ralph
From: Edo Plantinga
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Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 10:13 AM
To: LeVan,Ralph;
Subject: RE: [search-ws-comment] "Last Week" is a bad idea for
<actualValue>
We
*don't* have client-defined range facets, therefore the developer cannot figure
out how to create such a query anyway. Your argument does not hold true for
server-defined facets. To put it another way: there will be no sending of
strings that have not been sent first by the *server*, and therefore there will
be no "url hacking" or "query hacking".
Van: LeVan,Ralph
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Verzonden: maandag 25 oktober 2010 16:02
Aan:
Onderwerp: [search-ws-comment] "Last Week" is a bad idea for
<actualValue>
I’ve been giving more thought to our facets
conversation and have decided that I don’t like “Last Week”
as a term to be sent back to the server. I’m not saying it is
illegal or that the standard won’t support it. I’m just
saying I think it is a bad idea.
The reason is that it depends on server magic. The
client, or more importantly the developer, won’t learn anything about how
to construct other range queries if we hide how it is done behind magic
strings. If, instead, we send “20101017 20101023” as the
<actualTerm>, then the developer might be able to figure out how to
create their own query for “Two Weeks Ago”.
Of course, an <actualTerm> of “20101017
20101023” would want a <displayTerm> of “Last Week”.
Ralph
