Ken
Relative to Michael's first question: While crossing ownership domains
is of concern in all governance models, I believe that it comes more to
the fore in SOA.
Second item - Before Friday, I hadn't contemplated your example of
governance for entities with evil goals. However, after a some thought,
I agree that governance is about satisfying the goals of the
participants, whether the goals are good or bad for society. (How good
is defined is a philosophical question left for Plato and others to
struggled with.) However, since the Commons is one of the participants
(an interested party) the example of governance related to an evil-doer
entity brings up a question. Is governance just in the eye of the
beholder (e.g. the corporation) or does it have to satisfy the complete
social context? Or stated another way, is a local governance incomplete
without consideration of the goals of all the participants in its social
context?
Don
Ken Laskey wrote:
> see inline
>
> On Sep 10, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Poulin, Michael wrote:
>
>> Here a couple of other questions coming from the looking at the diagram:
>> 1) what I special in this governance model for the service
>> orientation or why is it good especially for SOA?
>
> There is an attempt to show a level of independence between the
> Participants and the Decision Makers. In general, I think this exist
> in all governance scenarios but is ignored because governance bodies
> would prefer to be all-powerful over their perceived domain.
>
>> 2) what "Policies, Rules, and Regulations" are meant here - any ones,
>> run-time and/or development ones?
>
> In general, any ones. Is there a reason at the model level to
> separate build time from runtime? There may be benefits for managing
> the instances but I don't see differences at the model level.
>
>> 3) should the governance model in SOA RA promote the best practices
>> in SOA governance (if YES, what are they and how are they reflected
>> in here)?
>
> It does to a certain extent just on the basis of what is included and
> how it weaves together. The model should support practices that are
> more locally specific and support local management.
>
>> I know, asking questions is much easier than answering them,
>> nevertheless...
>
> If you don't ask, someone else will :-)
>
>>
>> - Michael
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> Ken
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Ken Laskey [mailto:]
>> *Sent:* 10 September 2007 14:49
>> *To:*
>> <mailto:>
>> *Subject:* [soa-rm-ra] governance musings over the weekend
>>
>> Another tweak to the governance model, this time adding a class
>> for Metrics Collection and new relationships.
>>
>> <governance 20070910.png>
>>
>> Given a model of Governance, the next question on my mind is how
>> does it affect architecture. Some thoughts along those lines:
>>
>> Architecture implications
>> - need mechanisms to create and catalog Policies, Rules, and
>> Regulation
>> - need reliable access to specifics of current Governance
>> Framework and Governance Processes
>> - need mechanisms to collect metrics
>> - need mechanisms for Participants to access metrics
>> - need enforcement mechanisms for Management Body
>>
>> Assumptions
>> - You cannot govern what you cannot measure
>> - You cannot govern what does not agree to be governed
>> - expectations on what can and will be governed must match the
>> reality of what is possible and what is the collective will to
>> see done
>>
>> - need to manage (including configuration management and CRUD
>> processes)Governance Framework and Governance Processes,Policies,
>> Rules, and Regulations but not Goals
>>
>> - I don't care where the Goals originated beyond saying they come
>> from Participants
>> - I don't care if they are "good" Goals or "bad" Goals because it
>> is up to Governance to come up with the set that serves those who
>> want to remain Participants, and the SOA machinery should be
>> agnostic to the quality of the Goals or the make-up of the
>> Participants
>> - There may be many parallel or interacting Governance
>> environment with which a given Participant must interact.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
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