RE: [soa-rm] Security (Re: [soa-rm] Definition of "Service Consumer")

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Chiusano Joseph <>
Date
2005-04-12T17:44:31+00:00
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RE: [soa-rm] Security (Re: [soa-rm] Definition of "Service Consumer")
Title: Re: [soa-rm] Security   (Re: [soa-rm] Definition of "Service Consumer")

<Quote>

"Service use agreement may mandate security requirements to be 
met, and
if they are not, service may be refused."

</Quote>

IMHO, contract does not imply security (or vice-versa). Asking someone who is 
architecting a SOA using our RM to make this mind leap without including the 
notion of security more directly into the RM may result in difficulties in 
leveraging the RM.

My $0.02 :)

Joe

Kind Regards,

Joseph Chiusano

Booz Allen Hamilton
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From: Matthew MacKenzie 
[mailto:]
Sent: Tue 4/12/2005 11:08 AM
To: 
Anders W. Tell
Cc: ; Ken 
Laskey
Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Security (Re: [soa-rm] Definition of 
"Service Consumer")

Security could be fit into the RM indirectly via "Contract" (or 
a less
controversial word, such as "Agreement").  You talking about 
refusing
service tweaked this in my brain...

"Service use agreement 
may mandate security requirements to be met, and
if they are not, service may 
be refused."

-matt

Anders W. Tell wrote:

> 
Hi,
>
> This is getting interesting so Ill just join 
in
>
> There seem to be good reasons why security or maybe more 
appropriate
> security related functions could be part of a (abstract) RM. 
Functions
> such as (add,verify)integrity, 
(add,verify)confidentiality,
> (add,verify)authentication 
etc.
>
> If one wants to later relate a RM to economical and legel 
aspects such
> as those found in service level agreements then such 
abstract function
> seems relevant.
>
> The rigth to refuce 
service access may be a function of
> authenticationverification of 
issuer, sender ,indended receive,
> addressee.
>
> So Ill 
think Ken is right that it maybe a good point keeping it on the
> agenda 
and removed later if deemed to concrete.
>
> /Anders
>
> 
Ken Laskey wrote:
>
>> Moreover, the question is whether all SOAs 
SHOULD have security and
>> whether that needs to be captured in the 
RM.  As noted, secuirty is
>> often just tacked on and that may 
not be sufficient for *any* SOA to
>> be 
successful.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> At 02:27 PM 
4/11/2005, Duane Nickull wrote:
>>
>>> The RM does not 
support security models.  A reference model is used
>>> to 
guide the design of architecture that may include specific
>>> 
security protocols or models. Our requirement must be to ensure 
that
>>> nothing we place in the RM makes any specific security 
model a
>>> requirement (since not all SOA's have security) and to 
ensure that
>>> we do not preclude a specific type of security model 
from being used.
>>> Duane
>>>
>>> Vikas 
Deolaliker wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the question 
should be how many different types of security
>>>> 
models
>>>> will this RM support?
>>>> 
Vikas
>>>>
>>>> 
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