> The major holdouts (IBM and Microsoft) need to come
> along, IMO.
Guess you haven't been paying attention to the recent announcements
regarding new OASIS TCs.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hardin [mailto:]
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:14 PM
> To: Jones, Steve G
> Cc: ; ;
> ; ;
> ; ;
> ;
> Subject: [ebsoa] Re: [fwsi] RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] The real SOA
> challenge?
>
> The step that needs to happen, and in short order, is to get developer
> organizations, inside leading software companies, to enable thier
> products with the OASIS standards. That is happening slowly, but some
> of the more prominent names are Adobe, Sun, Oracle, Sybase, Cyclone
> Commerce, and many others. The major holdouts (IBM and Microsoft) need
> to come along, IMO.
>
> Unfortunately, OASIS doesn't have a marketing arm or business
> development group that has enough power to affect the development
> lifecycles for these large software companies.
> It's my impression that we are creating work that we hope, one day,
> will be recognized and used widely....
>
> Jones, Steve G wrote:
> > I think this is however the real opportunity for this group
> and others
> > within OASIS. There isn't a real clarity (IMO) from any of the
> > vendors around business oriented or abstract oriented SOA,
> its focused
> > around what their products do today.
> >
> > The reason I was interested in bringing Capgemini into
> OASIS is that
> > this is great quality work being developed independently of
> pushing a product.
> >
> > In terms of getting the word out, I'm assuming there is a press
> > release already being prepared, and analysts being briefed,
> around the
> > release of the SOA-RM (whenever that happens). As I've
> said before I
> > think SOA-RM has created a superb specification, and I've
> been using it with clients too.
> >
> >
> > There is more than enough weight on these groups to
> generate a market
> > stir around a definition of what SOA really is.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From:
> >>[mailto:]
> >>Sent: 14 November 2005 16:34
> >>To: ; ; -
> >>;
> >>; ;
> >>
> >>Subject: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?
> >>
> >
> >
> >>Dave,
> >>
> >
> >
> >>To extend your thoughts even further, a lot of large public and
> >>private sector concerns I talk to never look at the OASIS
> work at all.
> >>They have no idea what goes on here.
> >>
> >
> >
> >>The problem is some vendors have the wherewithal to push
> product and
> >>define interoperability as using their product everywhere!
> >>
> >
> >
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >
> >
> >>Wes
> >>
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>From: David Webber (XML) [mailto:]
> >>Sent: November 8, 2005 7:45 PM
> >>To: ; . soa-
> >>;
> ; semantic-
> >>; James Bryce Clark
> >>Subject: Re: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?
> >>
> >
> >
> >>Jamie,
> >>
> >
> >
> >>The BCM TC has been saying this for two years - and hopefully will
> >>have the OASIS publically approved standard to back it up!
> >>
> >
> >
> >>And then the XML2004 Interop we did last year showed exactly how to
> >>achieve this using a wide selection of core OASIS-based components.
> >>
> >
> >
> >>What bothers me is these pundits ability to completely
> ignore all the
> >>great work OASIS is doing in the field.
> >>
> >
> >
> >>It's like its almost beneath them to actually go and download the
> >>white papers and specifications we have and actually take
> time to read them.
> >>
> >
> >
> >>Seems like they only want to read glossy sales brochures and attend
> >>webinar product puffs instead...
> >>
> >
> >
> >>Thanks, DW
> >>
> >
> >
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "James Bryce Clark" <>
> >>To: <>; <.
> >>>; <>;
> >><>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:00 PM
> >>Subject: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Interesting article from Infoweek on SOA deployment progress:
> >>> http://www.internetweek.com/173402859
> >>> I think their underlying point is excellent: the key gating
> >>> issue
> >>
> >>is
> >>
> >>>not the XML tech, but rather, the process change, deployment and
> >>>finding issues involved in assembling a meaningful set of
> ambient services that
> >>>sufficiently compose into useful transactions. that
> >>> Regards Jamie
> >>>
> >>>~ James Bryce Clark
> >>>~ Director, Standards Development, OASIS
> >>>~
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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