RE: [soa-rm] RE: Act versus Object versus...both?

Please send text only, or do whatever is required so that I don't 
have to turn on html in my email client, because I will certainly 
forget to turn it off again before writing to other listservs where 
recipients get bent out of joint whenever they encounter this stuff. 
Of course, I also can't read whatever the message was supposed to be.

Rex

At 11:23 AM -0500 12/8/05, Bashioum, Christopher D wrote:
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:
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>     2005 19:09 </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE:
>     [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree with Ken.
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The service
>     consumer is the key concept that indicates the entity that invoked the
>     service in the first place. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A 
>brokering service
>     or service actor is merely a middle-man. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----Original
>     Message----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Ken Laskey
>     [mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: December 6,
>     2005 2:02 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE:
>     [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I could 
>argue that
>     a broker consumes the service on someone else's behalf.&nbsp; In reality,
>     service actor seems too nondescriptive because either the consumer or the
>     provider can be thought of as an actor. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ken
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At 01:45 PM
>     12/6/2005,  wrote: </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hate to stir
>     things up a bit, but can you change the service consumer term to service
>     actor? </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Since in the case
>     of brokering the service actor is not consuming but brokering a request to
>     another service. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The 
>broker service
>     can be a service actor upon the service but might not really consume any
>     part of the service since it is a pass through. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
>     color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But I 
>guess this is
>     a matter of opinion. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Dan
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----Original
>     Message----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: 
>Ken Laskey [
>     mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Tuesday,
>     December 06, 2005 10:39 AM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: 
>Duane Nickull;
>     Goran Zugic; Matt MacKenzie; MATHEWS, Tim; Sally St. Amand;
>      </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:
>      </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE:
>     [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think 
>we need to
>     add some words to the RM to capture this discussion.&nbsp; We 
>cover part of
>     this in the beginning of Section 3.2.1 but need to be more specific that:
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- a service
>     consumer can be a human or a software agent; </SPAN></FONT><FONT
>     color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- a service
>     consumer can invoke any number of services (including a single service in
>     isolation) and can chain the output of some services to act as 
>the input of
>     others; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- from the
>     perspective of a given service, the occurrence of such chaining 
>would not be
>     visible; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- the service
>     consumer can be implementing a business process; </SPAN></FONT><FONT
>     color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- the 
>specific of a
>     business process do not change the basic SOA concepts as described in the
>     RM; however, the specific architecture that one designs and 
>implements will
>     reflect the business process and make use of specific service 
>instances that
>     corresponds to the real world effects that the business process hopes to
>     realize. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now 
>that said, and
>     in full appreciation that we agreed earlier that mechanisms which combine
>     services (e.g. choreography, orchestration) are out of scope, is it
>     sufficient for words, such as those suggested above, to be included
>     somewhere within the current discussion or do we need to pull it 
>out into a
>     subsection on its own?&nbsp; As an example of the former, we tried to deal
>     with loose-coupling and coarse-grained with words at the end of 
>Section 2.1.
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ken
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At 12:23 PM
>     12/6/2005, Duane Nickull wrote: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Goran:
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I 
>slightly disagree
>     with your assertions, probably based on semantics.&nbsp; For a service to
>     "participate" in a process, it would have to be aware of the 
>process (which
>     many will not be).&nbsp; A better way to depict this may be to state
>     "services may be aggregated and used by processes" and "processes may be
>     represented/exposed as services".&nbsp; There are really no limits to the
>     number of layers that can be present.&nbsp; Attached is a UML 
>CVD depicting
>     such. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A key 
>rationale of
>     why process is not part of SOA is that services cannot see process.&nbsp;
>     They are not aware of whether they are being called as part of a 
>process vs.
>     as an individual service.&nbsp; If the "s" part of SOA cannot see or touch
>     that, it cannot be part of the RM. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The 
>chicken and egg
>     discussion you bring forward is a requirement for those building 
>services to
>     strongly consider the business process when designing their service
>     infrastructure.&nbsp; Accordingly, it is not really part of the RM for SOA
>     yet I agree that it is a very important consideration. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For your messages
>     to get to the list, you must join as a "applicant" rather than 
>an "observer"
>     as per OASIS process. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duane
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Adobe Systems,
>     Inc. - </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: 
>Goran Zugic [
>     mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday,
>     December 05, 2005 8:47 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: 
>Duane Nickull;
>     Matt MacKenzie; MATHEWS, Tim; Sally St. Amand; 
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:
>      </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: Re:
>     [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duane,
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for the
>     response. Yes I would like to see the PPT. I hope you do not mind if I add
>     few more thoughts related to services and business processes:
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Services
>     participate in a business process to add some value to it. They can be
>     governed and evaluated using business process metrics. One service can
>     participate in many business processes and provide value to each of them
>     according to the context within that process. As far as SOA is 
>concerned it
>     is as important to know what the service does, how it can be discovered,
>     contacted, invoked, executed, etc. as it is to be able to use it 
>within the
>     process context, measure it and assess its value from the business process
>     requirements point of view. SOA needs to avoid typical new technology
>     chicken and egg syndrome, e.g. companies not producing services because
>     there are no service friendly process definitions to use them 
>and not having
>     SOA friendly process definitions because there are no services to use.
>     Services do not have to know if they will be involved in the process
>     upfront, they will be contacted on demand according to the process script
>     that is in effect, and they will be contacted, checked if 
>available, passed
>     the arguments, collected the response and according to their 
>procedure left
>     alone to wait for another call. The process execution engine however needs
>     to invoke the service according to both service specific 
>information and the
>     process specific information. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Having just the
>     service specific information in a model covers only one part of 
>the picture
>     and I think it is fine as long as that model is a pure service model.
>     However I find it difficult to understand that the SOA RM TC 
>model is a SOA
>     reference model when it does not include other concepts of SOA.
>     Unfortunately it seems that we cannot get to the point where we 
>could agree
>     on a minimal set of supported SOA concepts by a model to be the <st1:place
>     w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">SOA</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
>     w:st="on">RM.</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>&nbsp; We do not have to and I do
>     not want to argue with you or anybody else in SOA RM TC. I am 
>just trying to
>     see how our works can fit together in a most efficient way. We obviously
>     need more time to better understand each others thoughts and ideas and I
>     strongly believe that a constructive respectable discussion is helpful for
>     everybody. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">By the 
>way, do you
>     know what I am supposed to do to get my messages to the SOA RM list. In
>     spite of that I am the SOA RM TC observer I get a faliure notice 
>whenever I
>     send a note to the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
>     w:st="on">SOA</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
>     w:st="on">RM.</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT><FONT
>     color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Goran
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original
>     Message ----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: 
>Duane Nickull
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: 
>Matt MacKenzie
>     ;  ; MATHEWS, Tim ; Sally St. Amand ;
>      </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:
>      </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday,
>     December 05, 2005 5:02 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE:
>     [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Goran:
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The service layer
>     enables the process layer over top of it, however during runtime, services
>     do not know if they are part of a process or being called individually (it
>     would generally be a bad idea to try to maintain the overall state of a
>     process within each service, although it could be done).&nbsp; For maximum
>     repurposing of services, it would be better to have the service 
>as a simple
>     slave to the processes that may use it.&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Accordingly, we
>     made a decision that BPM, Orchestration, choreography is not a 
>core part of
>     the RM for SOA.&nbsp; We generally seem to agree that many SOA
>     implementations will include a layer of BPM over top.&nbsp; We are only
>     addressing the SOA model, not the model for the underlying or overarching
>     layers. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have a PPT that
>     explains this in more detail if you are interested. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duane
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Adobe Systems,
>     Inc. - </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; 
>mso-ansi-language: FR-CA">Vice
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>     size=2><SPAN lang=FR-CA
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chair - OASIS SOA
>     Reference Model Technical Committee </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Personal Blog -
>     http://technoracle.blogspot.com/ </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Matt
>     MacKenzie [ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday,
>     December 05, 2005 12:51 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:
>     ; MATHEWS, Tim; Sally St. Amand;
>      </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE:
>     [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Process 
>orientation
>     is only one of multiple potential integration with service oriented
>     architecture.&nbsp; SOA-RM is laying the foundation for durable 
>architecture
>     based on the core concept of service orientation.&nbsp; We recognize that
>     process oriented architecture is a natural fit with service
>     orientation...but so are things like event orientation. 
></SPAN></FONT><FONT
>     color=black><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-matt
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:
>      [ mailto:]
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday,
>     December 05, 2005 3:36 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: MATHEWS, Tim;
>     Matt MacKenzie; Sally St. Amand; 
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:
>      </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: Re:
>     [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
>     style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think 
>that SOA RM
>     has done good job documenting well-known service related concepts and
>     defining some new ones. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I do 
>not see other
>     details besides service and service-related concept definitions in the
>     current SOA RM committee draft right now. I look forward to seeing the
>     completion of the model you are working on with the bottom-up approach.
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 
>Arial">Business, business
>     processes and collaboration aspects of business are important to 
>address in
>     the model what is not the case with the current content of the SOA RM
>     committee draft. By a business process I mean a generic business process
>     entity which has common components (activities, decisions, etc) and
>     relationships between them that can be used to model a business process in
>     any environment regardless of what business we support and technology we
>     use. I agree with Sally that a link between business processes 
>and services
>     should be one of key requirements any SOA reference model should try to
>     meet. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am 
>not sure what
>     SOA with services brings to business when the link between the business
>     processes and services and overall business process semantics in the SOA
>     context are not considered to be important aspects in a 
>SOA-based reference
>     model. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Goran
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----Original
>     Message----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: 
>MATHEWS, Tim
>     [ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday,
>     December 5, 2005 12:34 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: 'Matt
>     MacKenzie', 'Sally St. Amand', 
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:
>      </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE:
>     [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
>     "Componentization" </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Matt - I am not
>     sure what point you are trying to make by this?&nbsp; I agree with your
>     premise of a bottom up effort, as this was one of the operating 
>assumptions
>     that was made from the beginning. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But, I 
>am confident
>     it is the business environment that is independent from the 
>reference model.
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">TM
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Matt
>     MacKenzie [ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday,
>     December 05, 2005 11:58 AM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: Sally St.
>     Amand;  </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:
>      </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE:
>     [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
>     "Componentization" </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sally,
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A reference model
>     actually needs to be a bottom up effort.&nbsp; We leave the ever 
>so popular
>     ?top-down? approach to folks like ebSOA J </SPAN></FONT><FONT
>     color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We?re creating a
>     vocabulary and general understanding of what I hope we can call 
>a discipline
>     of computer science in the future.&nbsp; This means, we need a durable
>     reference model that is not dependent on the current business environment.
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-matt
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Sally St.
>     Amand [ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT 
>color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday,
>     December 05, 2005 10:19 AM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:
>      </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:
>      </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: Re:
>     [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
>     "Componentization" </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Frank
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is 
>in response
>     to your request on last week?s conference call, if anyone has 
>comments speak
>     now. I also think that the recent comments on clarifying sections are a
>     reflection of my issues with the specification. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
>     color=black><SPAN
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree with the
>     majority of points made/described in ver 10. My issues are with 
>what is not
>     in this draft. Based on Fig 1 the Refe! rence Model is guided by Reference
>     Architectures, Concrete Architectures, Profile &amp; Related 
>Models. They in
>     turn account for requirements, motivation &amp; goals. This is creating a
>     Reference Model from the bottom up. I believe a Reference Model should
>     reflect a top down approach. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
>windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>     <P class=MsoNormal
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The 
>Reference Model
>     needs to reflect the environment, the strategy and the priorities of the
>     business/mission/collaboration.&nbsp; This will impact the construction of
>     services. A service is a business task or activity that is 
>realized through
>     technology. The draft does a good job of describing how that realization
>     happens. But it doesn?t provide a sufficient link between processes and
>     services. The draft makes the point that the central focus of! SOA is the
>     task of business function?getting something done. A business 
>process is made
>     up of tasks and activities to achieve a goal (getting something done). The
>     concept of creating the service from the tasks and activities in a process
>     is important. For example, where on the continuum of fine 
>grained to coarse
>     grained should a particular service be; this will affect interaction,
>     reusability. The relationship between processes and services 
>needs to be in
>     the Reference Model. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
>     </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
>     style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">While I saw that
>     there is a note saying the glossary is still in flux, since one of the
>     objective of the Reference Model is a vocabulary, having less in the
>     glossary might be a better option. Is semantic integration a guiding
>     principle of SOA? </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">With respect to
>     conformance there needs to be business results. That is an SOA should
>     provide demonstrable mission accomplishments, e.g. ROI, match a 
>competitors
>     distribution channel. SOA is not a technology. Conformance should provide
>     operational accomplishments, these should be measurable. 
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>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;
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>     face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
>     style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sally
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