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RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ontolog-forum] RE: [soa-rm] latest Draft ofConcept Map / N-ary Documents specification?
Roy: I think the gist of this thread is to answer the question “do Concept Maps require formal definition for interpretation” and if yes, where should that be done. The vendors should definitely be involved IMO. It seems like there is consensus (or at least a lack of dissention) for CM to be formalized. This could perhaps happen in the OASIS SOA RM TC. Does anyone have any other opinions? Duane ******************************* Adobe Systems, Inc. - http://www.adobe.com Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT http://www.uncefact.org/ Chair - OASIS SOA Reference Model Technical Committee Personal Blog - http://technoracle.blogspot.com/ ******************************* From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Roy Roebuck Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:15 PM To: [ontolog-forum] ; Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ontolog-forum] RE: [soa-rm] latest Draft ofConcept Map / N-ary Documents specification? I've been doing concept mapping for a quite a while, and I've never seen it portrayed so technically as in this forum. While we're engaging in discussion about concept maps, has anyone invited vendors of concept mapping tools, such as http://www.inspiration.com, http://cmap.IHMC.us, or http://www.agilense.com (using their Graphical Designer) to participate? While Inspiration and CMAP are solely concept mapping tools, Agilense is a knowledge modeling and management server I use for my enterprise management services and enterprise architecture efforts. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Rex Brooks Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:48 PM To: [ontolog-forum] ; Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ontolog-forum] RE: [soa-rm] latest Draft of Concept Map / N-ary Documents specification? Understood Duane, I was just expressing my personal opinion and citing my own peculiar use of concept maps because I find them very handy for getting ideas out of my head and into a form where it is somewhat easier to work with them. I actually didn't start using them until prompted by your work. So I will be quite content to use them on my own regardless of whether they become standardized notations. I will just have to be careful not to let my scratchpad work get saved in a formal document. I also plan to start using them in a networked whiteboard application I'm playing with. BTW, I wasn't familiar with YAMMV, and had to look it up. YUP. The relationships actually make my point, since I can write in whatever I want, or whatever I think I'm modeling until it finally becomes more clear. However, you are quite correct that interpretation becomes darn near impossible without some rules. Regards, Rex At 9:39 AM -0800 12/13/05, Duane Nickull wrote: >Rex said: "I would actually prefer if concept maps stayed informal or >relatively informal for usefulness in my brainstorming process before >moving on to my personal process for noodling out constraints." > >This has been identified as a problem since it leads to different people >interpreting things differently. ><Rant> >For example > >"A uses B" > >How would *you* answer the following: > >1. Can A exist without B? >2. Is B aware of A? >3. Is A aware of B? >4. Is the reciprocal relationship "B is used by A" true? >5. Does B need at least one A to exists before it can exist? >6. Is B a complete concept without A? >7. Does A always use B? >8. add transitive, reflexive and all variants.... >.... > >I have avoided use of cardinality but others think that cardinality >exists in concept maps. Does this relationship mean exactly one A and >one B must be present for the concept to be complete or does it >represent multiples. I have seen concept maps with plurality such as: > >"machines are used by workers" > >Why is workers plural? Does it imply that there must be more than one >worker? > >What about instance, parent relationships? ></Rant> > >While you may answer these very clearly, the exact interpretation is not >ubiquitous and YAMMV. > >Duane > >_________________________________________________________________ >Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/ >Subscribe/Unsubscribe/Config: >http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/ >Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/ >Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ >To Post: mailto: -- Rex Brooks President, CEO Starbourne Communications Design GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison Berkeley, CA 94702 Tel: 510-849-2309 _________________________________________________________________ Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/ Subscribe/Unsubscribe/Config: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/ Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/ Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ To Post: mailto:
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