Hi Gilbert,
I think we had too many cooks in the kitchen and it fell through the cracks. I will take this as an action item and hopefully get
the new files uploaded this evening. If not, I will be without internet access Wed/Thurs. Worst case scenario they will be online
Friday. I'll send a note as soon as it's done.
Regards,
Mary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gilbert Pilz [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:23 PM
> To: Robin Cover
> Cc: Marc Goodner; Mary McRae; Robin Cover;
>
> Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts
>
> Robin and/or Mary,
>
> Any information on updating
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-rddl-cd-02.html
> and
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/200510/wsrmp-1.1-rddl-c
> d-02.html
> as indicated below?
>
> - gp
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robin Cover [mailto:]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:42 PM
> > To: Gilbert Pilz
> > Cc: Marc Goodner; Mary McRae; Robin Cover;
> >
> > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts
> >
> > On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Gilbert Pilz wrote:
> >
> > > Robin,
> > >
> > > First thanks to Mary and yourself for working on this.
> > >
> > > I agree with you that the WS-RX public installation is
> still in the
> > > experimental stage. I've fixed the "important" links in
> > both the wsrm
> > > and wsrmp documents and uploaded them to Kavi:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx-editors/download.ph
> > > p/
> > > 16880/wsrm-1.1-rddl-wd-02.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx-editors/download.ph
> > > p/
> > > 16881/wsrmp-1.1-rddl-wd-02.html
> > >
> > > (I'm hoping you have access to the WS-RX Editors pages)
> > >
> > > If you or Mary could upload these pages to
> > docs.oasis-open.org I would
> > > apprecitate it.
> >
> > We will do this.
> >
> > >
> > > As for the desired behavior; one thing I *do* know is
> that, from a
> > > machine processing perspective, doing an HTTP GET on
> > ".../wsrm/200510"
> > > (no trailing slash, exactly the same as the WS-RM namespace
> > URI) must
> > > return the RDDL document. If this doesn't work, then there
> > isn't much
> > > point in using RDDL. This means that a human also sees the RDDL
> > > document when browsing to the same URI.
> >
> > Absolutely: that's what a namespace document is designed to
> do, RDDL
> > or otherwise. We will change the implementation, but the
> effect will
> > be the same, as everyone expects.
> >
> > > As for what a human sees when they browse to ".../wsrm/200510/"
> > > (trailing slash, *not* the WS-RM namespace URI), I think
> that they
> > > should see the RDDL document as well. I don't really see
> > the need for
> > > humans to be able to see the "directory index" view for this URI.
> > > Everything we want them to see (specs, schema, WSDL, etc.)
> > is linked
> > > from the RDDL doc so, in theory, they shouldn't be missing
> > anything . .
> > > .
> >
> > I think that's a defensible position, especially in the case of
> > /wsrm/200510/ where the directory /200510/ has four user files.
> >
> > We want to also support the scenario where we have:
> >
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601 /*
> > namespace URI */
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601/ /*
> directory */
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601/a/
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601/b/
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601/c/
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601/d/baz/index.html
> >
> > given than the directory /200601/ might contain the
> prose-format spec
> > docs, and the /a/ - /d/ directories collectively have 500
> > files/directories. UBL and DITA TCs have large numbers of files in
> > spec distributions, with deep hierarchy.
> >
> > In this case, some TC might want an index file to live at
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601/
> >
> > Alternately, the better answer might be to use the
> namespace document
> > at
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/fooTC/barSpec/200601
> > to document the files and file locations for all versions
> of the spec
> > which use that namespace.
> >
> > TBD...
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I'll be working on fixing up some of the images etc. and
> > I'll keep you
> > > posted.
> > >
> > > - gp
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Robin Cover [mailto:]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:31 PM
> > > > To: Marc Goodner
> > > > Cc: Mary McRae; Gilbert Pilz; Robin Cover;
> > > >
> > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts
> > > >
> > > > Gilbert and Marc,
> > > >
> > > > I have answered your request (nominally) to have the
> server treat
> > > > the following two HTTP scheme URI namespaces as
> > dereferenceable to
> > > > the corresponding RDDL documents that you supplied:
> > > >
> > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510
> > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/200510
> > > >
> > > > There are a number of other kinks in this CD-02
> > installation, so I
> > > > think we need to consider it somewhat experimental (ask
> > Mary McRae
> > > > for the Chapter and Verse which allows experimentation).
> > > >
> > > > A number of links in the RDDL documents need to be
> > repaired, and I
> > > > noted at least one mismatch between this install and the URIs
> > > > advertised in the PDF specs (e.g., for /wsrm/
> > > >
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-spec-cd-02.pdf
> > > > I read:
> > > >
> > > > "The normative schema for WS-ReliableMessaging can be found at:
> > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1.xsd "
> > > >
> > > > whereas the install has:
> > > >
> > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-schema-2
> > > 00510.xsd
> > > >
> > > > We could create a symlink to fix this, but I'll refer
> you to Mary
> > > > McRae for ideal solutions in this case.
> > > >
> > > > The mechanism currently used to force the server to
> deliver RDDL
> > > > namespace documents (dereferenced namespace URIs) is not
> > ideal, and
> > > > will probably need to be changed: it uses a redirect --
> > actually two
> > > > redirects, because the first simply fixes the slashless
> directory
> > > > (from the file system and Apache server POV)
> > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510
> > > > to be http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/, and
> > the second
> > > > uses an HTTP redirect (meta refresh) to get the RDDL document.
> > > >
> > > > It's slow, and a kludge -- pending use of the server
> > directives to
> > > > establish a proper mapping.
> > > >
> > > > In addition to the latency that comes from redirects,
> we now face
> > > > the issue that I mentioned some months ago on the WS-RX list:
> > > >
> > > > conflict between the desire to have a namespace URI match a
> > > > directory/folder in which the artifacts are stored:
> > > >
> > > > /ws-rx/wsrm/200510/
> > > > /ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-schema-200510.xsd
> > > > /ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-spec-cd-02.pdf
> > > > /ws-rx/wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-wsdl-200510.wsdl
> > > >
> > > > Normally, dereferencing a URI that matches a directory
> (trailing
> > > > slash or none) gets you an index for the directory; if
> > you comandeer
> > > > (use) the directory as the namespace URI, you (may) forfeit the
> > > > expected behavior, unless you consider the RDDL namespace
> > document
> > > > to BE the index.
> > > >
> > > > We have several solutions (I think), all with positive
> > and negative
> > > > features. If you can explain what you think you WANT to
> > happen in
> > > > (a) and (b), when dereferenced, we'll study options at
> the server
> > > > level:
> > > >
> > > > (a) http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510
> > > > (b) http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/
> > > >
> > > > If it's possible to map (a) to your RDDL and (b) to a
> traditional
> > > > index, that would still be confusing to users,
> > potentially... dunno.
> > > >
> > > > As you can see, it's all experimental, including the ad
> hoc index
> > > > files I created to initially solve the index problem:
> > > >
> > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/wsrm-200510-CD02-TOC.html
> > > > visible here: http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/
> > > >
> > > >
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/wsrmp-200510-CD02-TOC.html
> > > > visible here: http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/
> > > >
> > > > -rcc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Marc Goodner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Robin knows how to setup sym links for that. Basically
> > > > there would be
> > > > > a symlink "file" called index that would point to the
> > RDDL file.
> > > > > That's how we keep the latest link for the issues lists.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marc Goodner
> > > > > Technical Diplomat
> > > > > Microsoft Corporation
> > > > > Tel: (425) 703-1903
> > > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/mrgoodner/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Mary McRae [mailto:]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:50 PM
> > > > > To: 'Gilbert Pilz'
> > > > > Cc: ; 'Robin Cover'
> > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds great - but I don't think we can do that right now.
> > > > I think the
> > > > > only way that would work would be to rename the file "index"
> > > > > but I need Robin's confirmation on that. If you have updated
> > > > > files, I'll try to get them uploaded as soon as I can.
> > > > >
> > > > > mary
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Gilbert Pilz [mailto:]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:32 PM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Cc: ; Robin Cover
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX
> CD-02 artifacts
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mary,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are a number of problems and most of them are
> my fault
> > > > > > (how come you never see the obvious stuff until its live?).
> > > > > > The one thing I was wondering if you could do anything
> > > > about is to
> > > > > > make "wsrm-1.1-rddl-cd-02.html" the default page for
> > > > > > "http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rc/wsrm/200510/"? That way
> > > > if anyone
> > > > > > dereferences the namespace URI they will
> immediately see the
> > > > > > RDDL document.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - gp
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Mary McRae [mailto:]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:16 PM
> > > > > > > To: 'Patil, Sanjay'; 'Marc Goodner'; Gilbert Pilz
> > > > > > > Cc: ; 'Robin
> > Cover'; 'James
> > > > > > > Bryce Clark'
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX
> > CD-02 artifacts
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please check and make sure the files are working as
> > > > expected ...
> > > > > > > Apparently some portion of the OASIS website header
> > was copied
> > > > > > > into the RDDL files; these aren't working properly. My
> > > > > > suggestion would be
> > > > > > > to just point to the OASIS logo from the
> templates location
> > > > > > and omit
> > > > > > > the rest of the heading.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/templates/OASISLogo.jpg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mary
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:48 PM
> > > > > > > > To: ; Marc Goodner;
> Gilbert Pilz
> > > > > > > > Cc: ; Robin
> Cover; James
> > > > > > > Bryce Clark
> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX CD-02
> > > > > > > > artifacts
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mary,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Would it be possible to upload the WS-RX CD-02 artifacts
> > > > > > today? The
> > > > > > > > weekly meeting for our TC is scheduled for tomorrow and
> > > > > > it would be
> > > > > > > > great to have the CD-02 artifacts published and
> available
> > > > > > > in advance
> > > > > > > > of the weekly meeting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -- Sanjay
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Mary McRae [mailto:]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 10:38 AM
> > > > > > > > > To: 'Marc Goodner'; Patil, Sanjay; 'Gilbert Pilz'
> > > > > > > > > Cc: ; 'Robin Cover';
> > > > > > > 'James Bryce
> > > > > > > > > Clark'
> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX
> > > > CD-02 artifacts
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Mark,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I was actually trying to say that OASIS does
> > *not* have
> > > > > > > > an explicit
> > > > > > > > > policy regarding the reserved use of keywords. I don't
> > > > > > > believe the
> > > > > > > > > issue had ever arisen in the past; staff has submitted
> > > > > > this as an
> > > > > > > > > issue to the Board TC Process Committee.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mary
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Marc Goodner [mailto:]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:21 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To: Patil, Sanjay;
> ; Gilbert
> > > > > > > > > > Pilz
> > > > > > > > > > Cc: ;
> Robin Cover;
> > > > > > > > > > James
> > > > > > > > > Bryce Clark
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish
> WS-RX CD-02
> > > > > > > > > > artifacts
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mary, you imply that OASIS does now have some
> > > > > > approved accepted
> > > > > > > > > > policy regarding things like keywords and products.
> > > > > > > > > > I don't think that is correct. If there is
> an approved
> > > > > > > > policy that
> > > > > > > > > > covers this pleas provide a reference to it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Marc Goodner
> > > > > > > > > > Technical Diplomat
> > > > > > > > > > Microsoft Corporation
> > > > > > > > > > Tel: (425) 703-1903
> > > > > > > > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/mrgoodner/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:05 AM
> > > > > > > > > > To: ; Gilbert Pilz
> > > > > > > > > > Cc: ;
> Robin Cover;
> > > > > > > > > > James
> > > > > > > > > Bryce Clark
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish
> WS-RX CD-02
> > > > > > > > > > artifacts
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Mary,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The use of the date identifier in the URI is a
> > > > > > > > > > deliberate
> > > > > > > > > decision the
> > > > > > > > > > WS-RX TC made after sweating over a lot of
> > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > Please note that
> > > > > > > > > > the product version identifiers are part of
> > the artifact
> > > > > > > > names (last
> > > > > > > > > > token in the URI) in our scheme .
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So I must say that currently we do not much
> choice and
> > > > > > > > > would strongly
> > > > > > > > > > prefer to keep the format of the URI as suggested in
> > > > > > > > Gil's original
> > > > > > > > > > email.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --Sanjay
> > > > > > > > > > WS-RX TC Co-Chair
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Mary McRae
> [mailto:]
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 7:23 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: 'Gilbert Pilz'
> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: ;
> > 'Robin Cover'
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ws-rx-editors] RE: publish WS-RX
> > > > CD-02 artifacts
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gilbert,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My apologies for the delay in responding;
> > I've been
> > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > > > > > research the decision regarding the WS-RX
> > TC's use of
> > > > > > > > > the keyword
> > > > > > > > > > > WSRM. It appears that since we did not have an
> > > > > > > > > > > explicit
> > > > > > > > policy in
> > > > > > > > > > > place reserving the keyword for use only
> by the WSRM
> > > > > > > > TC, and since
> > > > > > > > > > > the WSRM TC does not call its work
> product "wsrm",
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > WS-RX is
> > > > > > > > > > > being allowed to use the WSRM as a product
> > designation.
> > > > > > > > > > There's one
> > > > > > > > > > > other problem however,and that's the use of a date
> > > > > > identifier
> > > > > > > > > > > rather than a version number - The OASIS
> Library is
> > > > > > > > configured to
> > > > > > > > > > > identify TC work products by version number (i.e.
> > > > > > > > > > > docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/v1.1/). Is it
> > > > > > possible for the
> > > > > > > > > > > editors to reconfigure the documents to match
> > > > that scheme?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mary
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gilbert Pilz [mailto:]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:58 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: Mary McRae
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: ;
> > Robin Cover
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mary,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Any word on the review of the WS-RX CD-02
> > artifacts?
> > > > > > > > The rest of
> > > > > > > > > > > > the TC is going to want status from me on
> > Thursday
> > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > I need to
> > > > > > > > > > > > know what to tell them.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > - gp
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Robin Cover
> [mailto:]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:04 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Gilbert Pilz
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: ;
> > Mary McRae
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: publish WS-RX CD-02 artifacts
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Gilbert Pilz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robin,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attached is a zip archive containing the
> > > > > > artifacts that
> > > > > > > > > > > > make up the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > WX-RX TC's Committee Draft 02. The archive
> > > > > > structure is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > intended for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unpacking under
> > > > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx. You will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > notice that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have included the RDDL documents
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "wsrm/200510/wsrm-1.1-rddl-cd-02.html" and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "wsrmp/200510/wsrmp-1.1-rddl-cd-02.html".
> > > > In order
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > things to work
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as intended these files need to be the
> > > > > > default page for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > "http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200510/" and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > "http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/200510/"
> > > > > > > > > respectively.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if any of the above is
> > > > unclear or
> > > > > > > > > > there is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem with organizing the web space
> > in this way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilbert Pilz
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gilbert,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm forwarding your request to Mary McRae,
> > > > > > > currently listed
> > > > > > > > > > > > as one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the OASIS Staff Contacts for the WS-RX TC, and
> > > > > > responsible
> > > > > > > > > > > > for the QA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > work on approved specs as delegated to the
> > > > > > OASIS TC Admin.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm pleased that your TC has decided
> to use RDDL
> > > > > > > documents:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it makes a lot of sense to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations on TC progress
> > resulting in these
> > > > > > > > > > > approved CD specs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Robin Cover
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