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Eilon,
While
this is true (and I'm generally a big fan of integrating with existing systems),
supporting HTML doesn't seem like the big barrier to supporting JSP and Perl
scripts. The big problem with that, it seems, is that we've committed
ourselves to the SOAP web services world. Rewriting a web app to be a
web service is decidely non-trivial; you can lose out on a lot of things that
J2EE server and IIS give you for free (session management being a huge one), and
fitting in with the web service programming paradigms is very different than
writing a web app page.
As a sidenote, I
have to admit that sometimes I get frustrated that we are trying to solve a lot
of problems that have already been solved with standard web app development
tools. Session management, authentication, privacy, efficient caching, and
other issues are all fairly well understood using the basic HTML/HTTP solution,
and I feel like we're rewriting a lot of that. Not only is it a lot of
work, it will be hard for us to document and for developers to learn. Does
anyone else sometimes feel this way, or am I the only one?
That
all being said, I think that we have to support HTML if only for the huge amount
of developer knowledge of HTML (vs. XHTML).
Cheers,
Sasha.
-----Original Message-----
From: Eilon Reshef
[mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002
8:58 AM
To: 'PAVLIK,GREGORY (HP-NewJersey,ex2)'; 'Thomas Schaeck';
'Takao Mohri'
Cc: 'WSRP Mailing List (E-mail)'
Subject:
RE: [wsrp][markup] First conference call (Summary)
I do believe we have to offer a migration path for
people that have or even prefer plain old HTML - expecting everybody to go
back to their Perl scripts and JSP templates and rework them might provide a
barrier to entry that we can avoid by simply supporting
HTML.
-----Original Message-----
From: PAVLIK,GREGORY
(HP-NewJersey,ex2) [mailto:]
Sent:
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:48 AM
To: 'Thomas Schaeck'; Takao
Mohri
Cc: PAVLIK,GREGORY (HP-NewJersey,ex2); WSRP Mailing List
(E-mail)
Subject: RE: [wsrp][markup] First conference call
(Summary)
Is there a general statement on whether the markup
subcommittee intends to
treat HTML and XHTML
interchangeably? My initial thought was that WSRP would
do better to standardize on XHTML, which would have a number of
advantages
including the ability of the consumer to
treat the fragment as an XML
fragment. It's not
terribly difficult to tidy up a piece of HTML and
repurpose it as well-formed/valid XHTML when dealing with legacy
content. An
early focus on XHTML might position us
better for dealing with devices in
the long run, as
it appears that WML and cHTML are going to be secondary
targets for the TC.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From:
Thomas Schaeck [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 5:43 PM
To: Takao Mohri
Cc: PAVLIK,GREGORY
(HP-NewJersey,ex2); WSRP Mailing List (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [wsrp][markup] First conference call (Summary)
There is not something like "the markup language of WSRP",
the WSRP
protocol needs not to be tied to any
particular markup language, the
protocol and the
markup exchanged can be viewed as orthogonal.
However, WSRP will need to define rules for valid markup
fragments and
common styles with the
priorities
1. (X)HTML
2.
WML, cHTML, VoiceXML...
It would be interesting to see the rules that would define
valid XHTML
Basic fragments.
Takao, could you post an XHTML Basic example document to the
mailing list
and an outline of fragment rules for
XHTML Basic ? Which tags would be
allowed in
aggregatable XHTML Basic fragments and which tags would not be
allowed to use in fragments ?
Best regards,
Thomas
Takao Mohri <> on 04/09/2002
01:26:58 PM
Please respond to Takao Mohri
<>
To: "PAVLIK,GREGORY (HP-NewJersey,ex2)"
<>
cc:
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Subject: Re: [wsrp][markup] First
conference call (Summary)
Greg,
Yes, as you mentioned, XHTML Basic is becoming a standard
for cellular
phones.
In WAP
2.0, XHTML Mobile Profile (an extention of XHTML Basic) is a
standard markup language. In Japan, cellular phones that
support WAP 2.0
are already on sale by KDDI. NTT
Docomo also has announced support of WAP
2.0.
In the near future, WAP 2.0, i.e, XTHML Basic will be used
by many mobile
devices.
If the markup language of WSRP is based on XHTML
Basic,
it makes support of mobile devices much
easier.
Regards,
Takao
"PAVLIK,GREGORY (HP-NewJersey,ex2)" wrote:
>
> Gino,
>
> Could you clarify if your intent is
to consider XHMTL/XHTML Basic as a
part
> of the HTML focus? This wasn't clear from the notes.
There appears to be
a
>
broad convergence in the mobile space, both with respect to WML and
NTT
> Docomo, to standardizing on XHTML Basic +
CSS. XHTML is going to be here
on
> the device very soon, perhaps quicker than on the desktop,
making this a
> relatively high priority item.
Fujitsu may have some comments on this as
>
well.
>
> Greg
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Gino Filicetti [mailto:]
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 3:22 PM
> To: WSRP Mailing List (E-mail)
>
Subject: [wsrp][markup] First conference call (Summary)
>
> Team,
>
> Attached are the meeting notes from
today's Markup Subcommittee meeting.
> Comments
and suggestions are welcome.
>
> One thing I did notice was that there were quite a few
participants today
> that aren't on the actual
list of official members for this team. Since
this
> team is quite small, I think it'd
be great if we could get some of you to
>
officially join and help out with the effort. Unfortunately, I wasn't
able
> to capture the names of
ALL the attendees this time around (I'll be sure
to
> record the con-call next time), but
please send me an email so we can add
> your name
to official list and flesh out the team a little more.
>
> Currently, the official list
is:
>
> Gino
Filicetti
> David Taieb
> Khurram Mahmood
> Susan Levine
> Michael Hillerman
>
> Thanks,
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Gino Filicetti | Software Engineer
>
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