FW: July 12th Conference Call Minutes

Title: July 12th Conference Call Minutes

Here 
are the minutes courtesy of Ken Yagen. The adopted charter will be posted to the 
list later today as will the revised F2F agenda.

XACML Conference Call 
July 12, 2001 7AM 
PDT 

Roll Call - 17 Voting Members for determining quorum, 14 people 
on call, 10 are members so we have quorum (Simon can provide list of those on 
call)

Ken Yagen from CrossLogix volunteered to be recording secretary 
and do minutes 
Need to document who's present and any 
votes taken at a minimum 

Charter Adoption 
Simon read most recent 
revision charter (combination of Suresh's email and last paragraph on 
website) 
Hal motioned to adopt charter 
Gilbert seconded - open discussion 
Jeff - would 
be nice to have all of it in front of you 
Simon - Point 
of reference; the handling has been slightly off, but will not hold up 
voting 
Vote: 10 - 0 for adoption 
Simon Will post, crosspost to SAML and have the website updated 

Domain Model 
Just posted to list this 
morning by Gil 
Off topic: Digital Rights (DR) 
discussion 
Hal - Digital Rights vs XACML; DR should be 
reflected in domain model because it's slightly different 
Gil - How do you see it should be reflected? 
Hal 
- PEP little narrow; What does Grant Rights Mean? If another party should be 
reflected in domain model 
Simon - Do transaction portion 
is PEP, rather than PDP 
Hal - DR problem is 
enforcement 
Simon - Postpone domain model proposed for 
discussion, seconded by several people 
Gil - Feed 
comments about Domain Model back to gil so he can draw up an issues list 

Digital Rights Cont'd (and some use case discussion) 

Simon - extensible primitive rights 
Hal 
- Leave XACML as framework and have communities of interest define specific 
rights; PDP's, Attr Authority don't need to understand semantics of target, but 
PEP does; Will define middle stuff, DR people can define end points

Jeff - could be convinced that policy aspect is a non issue as 
discussed here; Be on guard and watch for issues to arise

Hal - Fundamental scoping issue 
Simon - 
Generic and useful without something specific 
Hal - pick 
1 or 2 domains? 
Fred - Get into these issues in Use 
Cases? 
Hal - what were the three categories of use 
cases? Could that be reposted? 
Simon - traditional AC 
UC; DRM type; QOS Provisioning type (like RFC Policy Core) 
Hal - speaking of what you need XACML machinery to do; how would I use 
XACML; third? 
Simon - will get those distinctions posted 
to list and go from there 
Simon - Sydney, MPEG org 
closing out call for requirements for DR and Data dictionary and calling for 
proposal 
Hal - Looked at Reuters document and recommend 
reading it; has a lot of background 
Simon - Second 
recommendation; listed it on the agenda for FTF; intend have further discussions 
with them for how we can play a role

FTF Planning 
Simon - was a suggestion to 
discuss use cases from suresh; will replace requirements with use cases 

Simon read proposed agenda 
Does meeting 
attendance count for good standing? Simon to check with Karl Best; no binding 
votes so not a major issue 
Last count planned 
attendance: 12 physically, 4-5 remote 
Ken - will send 
out list of other hotels nearby to list 
Ken - add 
another hour earlier or later? and schedule breaks 
Simon 
- move ahead an hour and move breakfast to 8 and start at 9 
Ken - will check and send out what hosted meeting sign will say? What 
room? 
Gil - 1 hour for Domain Model 
Suresh - use case prior to domain model? 
Gil - 
misunderstandings in use cases in SAML because things weren't defined but we 
have SAML domain model to work off of

? - Glossary brought up 
Simon  - 
folks should review glossary; what terms in SAML confusing with XACML? 

Jeff - target vs resource; Saml voted on resource; Will try to 
revise SAML glossary before Wed next week; Policy terminiology internet draft 
out there - will send pointer to list

Simon - Will start with use cases 
Fred - 
put together a set of use cases for HL7 that may be interesting - how do you 
protect SAML documents 
Suresh - can present ebXML use 
cases 
Bill - Hal mentioned he had some 
Simon - all morning for uses cases (with a break); Domain model after 
lunch then jump to some existing work; 
Ken - website and 
other presentations of work? 
SImon - will coordinate 
putting up website; coordinating to get copy of presentation to discuss it from 
Michiharu; no response from others.

Dave - Just joined; Happy to come on telephone and 
present 
? - How to specify the target within 
XACML? 
SImon - premature but possibly at end if still 
time 
motion to adjourn at 8:15 PDT