FW: [xacml] Proposed semantics for operations involving INDETERMI NATE

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Daniel Engovatov <>
Date
2002-07-24T01:52:30+00:00
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FW: [xacml] Proposed semantics for operations involving INDETERMI NATE
With respect to scale, I still need some more thoughtful 
insight to
justify your claim.

Having each of the clients (e.g.  
1000 PEPs each making 10 calls on a
single PDP a second) get and supply the 
information to a PDP that has to
do 10,000 decisions a second, scales far 
better than putting all the work
on the PDP and making it perform remote 
calls to a data repository for
each access decision.

  
Sorry 
  for getting back on this discussion, I should 
  probably just give up :  but that example is wrong.  Once you 
  have any single master data repository - RDBMS most likely, or some local 
  image of it, having as close consumer as possible is 
  preferrable.  And PDP is much more likely to be "local" - same 
  machine/subnet - even running on top of a database in some cases then 
  multitude of distributed clients.  I am suggesting scaling/clustering 
  PDPs as needed, and cutting down on remote queries and 
  traffic.   That's why people have stored procedures, is not 
  it?

  
Other example would be a PDP 
  running alongside a directory server.  Should clients access 
  relevant data indepently, then resend it along with the request to PDP - 
  or is it faster to access it locally?

  
 Also - client may not know what 
  information is relevant.  If you have 100 different actions.  For 
  each action some information is needed to evaluated - as described in the rule 
  - should PEP prepare and send ALL potentially avalaible data along with the 
  request - or PDP will retrive just the relevant one during the rule 
  evaluation?  I think the second case is far more preferrable - PEP has no 
  information about rules, and can not optimise it. Thus supplying information 
  along with the request may scale O(N), as you add actions, and O(1), if data 
  is retrieved locally..

  
And to 
  effectively cluster PDPs, provisions for 
  error handling in protocol seem to be essential.

  
 

  
Daniel.