Re: [xacml] Default behavior for unrecognized resource attributes?

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Martin Smith <>
Date
2015-10-27T16:40:52+00:00
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Re: [xacml] Default behavior for unrecognized resource attributes?
Eric--

Certainly agree that policies CAN be written to add this check for unknown data tags, and to DENY in that case. 

My suggestion is, however, to provide for the case where the policy set fails to do this, but yet there is a tag that is not handled by any policy in the policy set used to protect a resource. 

This is an error case, but in such a case I suggest that the priority should be given to the decision of the data custodian to mark the data with the unhandled tag, which probably indicates an intent to invoke a policy rule that limits access.

And example from a domain with which I'm familiar:  Suppose data tags are bound to a document, and the tags are "SECRET", "NOFORN" and "PROPIN" (meaning "proprietary information.")  The custodian relies on the access-control system to protect this document with a policy set that enforces requirements that the requester has a SECRET or above clearance, is a US citizen, and is not a contractor. If for whatever reason, the policy set that is active doesn't recognize the tag "PROPIN", for example, then the requirement for the requester not to be a contractor would not be enforced; in this case the data custodian would expect access to be denied.  

Of course, maybe the custodian is the one who made the error--maybe PROPIN is an obsolete tag. The tagging process is very likely not flawlessly synchronized with the policy update or the user provisioning processes, so this can certainly happen. In this case I see two reasons why a default DENY is appropriate: (1) the security "meta-rule" of default configuration of anything for no access vs all access; and (2) good incentives: getting an erroneous DENY is more likely to provide motivation to the requester to pester someone to get the error fixed than is an erroneous PERMIT.

(Sidebar: this discussion illustrates one of several ways in which process for management of user attributes should not be assumed to be directly transferable to management of resource attributes (data tags.)) 

I am not sure where this suggestion would fit into the TCs guidance. It probably does not requires new XACML syntax. Maybe it's more like how the rules of precedence for application of rules in a policy set are specified or declared. Or maybe it's just something that could be included in non-normative "best practice" guidance (i.e., "It's a good idea to have a rule like the one Eric suggests in your active policy set to avoid accidentally providing access to a protected resource.")

Best regards,

Martin

  

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Erik Rissanen <> wrote:

  
    
  
  

    Martin,

    

    Ok, maybe I misunderstood you then. Still not sure if I understand
    you though. ;-)

    

    If you have an attribute called "tag" and it can take various values
    like "internal", "secret", "public", etc, you can quite easily write
    a policy which denies if you get a tag value which you don't
    recognize.

    

    You can simply do a rule which denies if the tag is not a member of
    a bag of tag values you have in the policy. Like so, assuming that
    there can be multiple tags for a resource (using pseudo notation):

    

    deny <- not(allOfAny(stringEquals, tagAttributeOfResource,
    stringBag("internal", "secret", "public")))

    

    Best regards,

    Erik

    

    
On 2015-10-27 12:49, BFC.McLean wrote:

    

    
      
      
Eric/remon--still sounds like you're thinking of extra user
        attributes being "provided."  I agree this should not cause a
        DENY. I'm talking about tags placed by the data owner  on the
        data being accessed. 

      

      

      
Is there a case where those tags
        shouldn't be honored?

      

      

      
Regards,

      

      

      
Martin 

        

        Sent from my iPad

      

        On Oct 27, 2015, at 6:12 AM, Sinnema, Remon <>
        wrote:

        

      

      
        

          
          
          
          

            
I
                agree with Erik.

            
 

            

              

                
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                    On Behalf Of Erik Rissanen

                    Sent: dinsdag 27 oktober 2015 9:45

                    To: 

                    Subject: Re: [xacml] Default behavior for
                    unrecognized resource attributes?

              

            

            
 

            
All,

              

              I think this is not a good idea. There are valid reasons
              to have attributes which are not referred to. For
              instance, an interoperability standard might define a set
              of attribute to be provided, but not every organization
              might have a need for a policy which needs all the
              attributes.

              

              To solve the coordination problem, there already exist
              general software engineering practices, processes and
              tools.

              

              Best regards,

              Erik

              

              

            

              
On 2015-10-27 01:18, Martin Smith
                wrote:

            

            
              

                
David/all-- 

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
Reviewing this thread again, I
                    think it may be that I am talking about resource
                    attributes not referred to in the active policy set,
                    while others appear to be addressing "extra" user
                    attributes. 

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
I am suggesting that it it only
                    "extra" resource attributes that should cause a DENY
                    decision by default. 

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
I agree that ideally this
                    situation would never arise. But: 

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
1.  The custodian of the
                    protected resource is likely responsible for
                    applying resource tags, based on sensitivity or
                    other characteristics of the data or service. If a
                    tag has been applied for which the PDP does not have
                    a policy, then it is likely that some rule that the
                    resources owner expected to be in place has somehow
                    not been invoked, and thus the expected protection
                    on which the owner relies is not there. Safest to
                    DENY while seeing what happened.

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
2.  I think this situation is in
                    fact likely to arise in a multi-organizational
                    environment where coordination between active policy
                    sets and user provisioning and resource marking
                    activity would be harder to coordinate. It would
                    also be more likely to arise if data from various
                    sources were combined for analysis.  Again, if
                    coordination has failed for any reason, it's better
                    to DENY be default. 

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
3.  Finally, there doesn't seem
                    to be much downside to making this "deny if not
                    recognized" the default. If an expected access is
                    denied, the requester is going to be motivated to
                    get to the bottom of the problem.

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
Martin

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
 

                

                

                  
 

                

              

              

                
 

                

                  
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:46 PM,
                    Martin Smith <>
                    wrote:

                  

                    
David-- Have to admit I didn't
                      understand this scenario. Can you illustrate with
                      an example, maybe?  

                    

                      
 

                    

                    

                      
"You are
                              forgetting there could be "automatic"
                              policy enforcement points that convert
                              business requests (HTTP, SOAP, JSON...)
                              automatically into a XACML request.
                        

                      

                        
 

                      

                      

                        
If there is a
                                new HTTP header in an HTTP request and
                                the PEP automatically converts it into a
                                XACML attribute, then would you want the
                                PDP to suddenly deny access?"

                      

                    

                    

                      
 

                    

                    

                      
 

                    

                    

                      
 (Guessing a bit, but it
                        seems OK to ADD a constraint--assuming it's
                        legit--but not to eliminate one.) 

                    

                    

                      
 

                    

                    

                      
 

                    

                  

                  

                    

                      

                        
 

                        

                          
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at
                            12:28 PM, David Brossard <>
                            wrote:

                          

                            
You are forgetting
                              there could be "automatic" policy
                              enforcement points that convert business
                              requests (HTTP, SOAP, JSON...)
                              automatically into a XACML request. 

                            

                              
 

                            

                            

                              
If there is a new
                                HTTP header in an HTTP request and the
                                PEP automatically converts it into a
                                XACML attribute, then would you want the
                                PDP to suddenly deny access?

                            

                            

                              
 

                            

                            

                              
If an attribute is
                                not referenced in a rule / policy, then
                                it should have no impact at all.

                            

                            

                              
 

                            

                            

                              
Now, on a different
                                note, one could review PDP audit logs on
                                a regular basis to reconcile attributes
                                that come in with a request with
                                attributes that are used in a set of
                                policies. That would help a systems
                                administrator fine-tune PEP
                                configuration.

                            

                          

                          

                            

                              

                                
 

                                

                                  
On Thu, Sep 24,
                                    2015 at 6:09 PM, BFC McLean <>
                                    wrote:

                                  

                                    

                                      
Lack of a
                                        rule that references a resource
                                        attribute strongly suggests that
                                        the resource owner who attached
                                        that attribute expected a
                                        different rule set to be
                                        protecting the resource.

                                    

                                    

                                      
 

                                    

                                    

                                      

                                        

                                        Martin S -- Sent from my iPhone

                                    

                                    

                                      

                                        

                                          

                                            On Sep 24, 2015, at 12:01
                                            PM, David Brossard <>
                                            wrote:

                                        

                                        
                                          

                                            

                                              
If an
                                                "unrecognized attribute"
                                                is an attribute not in
                                                use by a policy / rule
                                                in the policy set, then
                                                the attribute serves no
                                                purpose and will have no
                                                impact. This is true of
                                                any category of
                                                attributes. Therefore
                                                there is no need to
                                                cause the PDP to reply
                                                with a DENY. 

                                              

                                                
 

                                              

                                              

                                                
To
                                                  the best of my
                                                  knowledge the XACML
                                                  3.0 standard doesn't
                                                  mention how a request
                                                  with extra attributes
                                                  should be handled. The
                                                  standard doesn't delve
                                                  into PIP behavior
                                                  either.

                                              

                                              

                                                
 

                                              

                                              

                                                
Cheers,

                                              

                                              

                                                
David.

                                              

                                            

                                            

                                              
 

                                              

                                                
On
                                                  Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at
                                                  5:51 PM, Martin Smith
                                                  <> wrote:

                                                

                                                  
As
                                                    a result of thinking
                                                    about the DSD
                                                    question, it
                                                    occurred to me to
                                                    wonder if there is
                                                    anything in
                                                    normative or
                                                    non-normative XACML
                                                    pubs that says that
                                                    an unrecognized
                                                    resource attribute
                                                    must result in a
                                                    DENY decision.  

                                                  

                                                    
 

                                                  

                                                  

                                                    
Let's
                                                      say that
                                                      "unrecognized"
                                                      means that there
                                                      is no rule in the
                                                      set being used by
                                                      the PDP that
                                                      references the
                                                      attribute. 

                                                  

                                                  

                                                    
 

                                                  

                                                  

                                                    
It
                                                      seems to me that
                                                      this should be a
                                                      requirement, as
                                                      the purpose of
                                                      resource
                                                      attributes is to
                                                      specify (via the
                                                      applied rule set)
                                                      what subject
                                                      attributes are
                                                      required for
                                                      access to the
                                                      resource. If
                                                      there's no rule
                                                      that references
                                                      the resource
                                                      attribute then
                                                      there is a
                                                      definite
                                                      possibility that
                                                      the subject does
                                                      not have all the
                                                      attributes
                                                      intended to be
                                                      required by
                                                      whatever policy
                                                      led to the
                                                      inclusion of the
                                                      unrecognized
                                                      resource attribute
                                                      in the protected
                                                      resource's
                                                      metadata.  

                                                  

                                                  

                                                    
 

                                                  

                                                  

                                                    
The
                                                      same does not
                                                      apply to
                                                      unrecognized
                                                      subject
                                                      attributes, which
                                                      can be ignored as
                                                      they are simply
                                                      "extra" from the
                                                      perspective of the
                                                      PDP (and are
                                                      presumably
                                                      provisioned for
                                                      access to other
                                                      resources not
                                                      protected by the
                                                      current PDP/PEP.) 

                                                  

                                                  

                                                    
 

                                                  

                                                  

                                                    
Martin

                                                  

                                                  

                                                    
 

                                                  

                                                  

                                                    
 

                                                  

                                                  

                                                    
 

                                                  

                                                  

                                                    

                                                        

                                                    

                                                      
 

                                                    

                                                    
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