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RE: [xdi] URL claim in the Cardspace specifications
Agreed on all counts. XRI (and thus i-names) has always been neutral with regard to the authenciation/transfer “channel” or “tunnel”, because it’s purpose is richer/stronger identification of the endpoints to an identity transaction. I look forward to discussing further next week. =Drummond From: Kim Cameron Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:28 PM To: Arun Nanda; Drummond Reed; Gabe Wachob; ; Cc: Mike Jones; ; Paul Trevithick Subject: RE: [xdi] URL claim in the Cardspace specifications This said, I would like to see more people at Microsoft get interested in i-names, and this is something we can work toward. Of course, the more i-names becomes adopted on the internet, the easier it is to get it adopted within Microsoft. You know the drill. From: Arun Nanda Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:22 PM To: Kim Cameron; Drummond Reed; Gabe Wachob; ; Cc: Mike Jones; ; Paul Trevithick Subject: RE: [xdi] URL claim in the Cardspace specifications I agree with Kim on this. The Information Card model, and consequently the CardSpace channel, has been deliberately designed to make it token format and content agnostic. Using the OpenID managed card approach, for example, would allow full flexibility on the (token) payload that results from using such a managed card. From: Kim Cameron Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:05 PM To: Drummond Reed; 'Gabe Wachob'; ; Cc: Mike Jones; Arun Nanda; ; 'Paul Trevithick' Subject: RE: [xdi] URL claim in the Cardspace specifications My thinking was that Webpage would be the web page one uses for his identity – perhaps I’m simplistic in my thinking but I suspect a lot of ordinary users jump to the same conclusions, and not understand the niceties of the distinctions between a bunch of URIs. But I’m happy to discuss and hear what you need. During the period leading up to the “announce” I was out talking with sxip, janrain and verisign about having OpenID managed cards that carry the normal OpenID payloads - but do this through the CardSpace tunnel rather than through redirects. I’ve built a demo with shipping CardSpace v1, and I think everyone who has seen it found it quite convincing (scott Kveton has blogged about it). If OpenID were to support this approach, then out of the starting gate, the OpenId managed card can have all the appropriate XRI identifiers or semantic tags. Let’s talk about this next week. I think it has great potential for solving the problems you point out. From: Drummond Reed [mailto:] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:10 AM To: 'Gabe Wachob'; ; Cc: Kim Cameron; Mike Jones; Arun Nanda; ; 'Paul Trevithick' Subject: RE: [xdi] URL claim in the Cardspace specifications Gabe, I agree completely. Now that we know what the actual claim (on the MS self-asserted card schema), the lack of sufficient semantics to recognize that the value of the “webpage” claim is an OpenID URL, let alone a XRI, is the first key issue I think we need to discuss with Kim, Mike, Arun, and the CardSpace team. I’ll work with them to arrange a meeting as soon as we can. =Drummond From: Gabe Wachob [mailto:] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:38 AM To: 'Drummond Reed'; ; Cc: 'Kim Cameron'; 'Mike Jones'; 'Arun Nanda' Subject: RE: [xdi] URL claim in the Cardspace specifications Just because the “webpage” slot takes a URI, that doesn’t mean to me that it should take an XRI – an XRI identifies a person, concept, place, anything, whereas a webpage is, well, a webpage, and nothing more. That being said, if that’s the easiest way to stick in XRI’s, I guess we could use it. (the xri.net version? The raw version?) I’m shocked that our friends at Microsoft didn’t include a separate slot for an iname!!!! It will be there in version 3, right? ;-) -Gabe From: Drummond Reed [mailto:] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:55 AM To: ; Cc: Kim Cameron; 'Mike Jones'; 'Arun Nanda' Subject: RE: [xdi] URL claim in the Cardspace specifications XRI & XDI TC members: In following up on Laurie’s and my action item, we received the following clarification from Mike Jones and Arun Nanda about the supported claims in Microsoft’s schema for self-asserted CardSpace information cards. There is in fact a claim for a URL, referred to as a “webpage” (last one on the list below). This should help us in our discussions of XRIs both as claims identifiers and claims values. Thanks again to Laurie for her excellent research on this topic, and to Paul for his help. =Drummond Claim URI Given Name http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/givenname Last Name http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/surname Email Address http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/emailaddress Street http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/streetaddress Locality (City) http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/locality State or Province http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/stateorprovince Postal Code http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/postalcode Country http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/country Phone Number http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/homephone Other Phone http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/otherphone Mobile Phone http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/mobilephone Date of Birth http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/dateofbirth Gender http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/gender PPID http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/privatepersonalidentifier Web Page http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/webpage
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