[xliff] XLIFF Teleconference Minutes - Tuesday, 3 Dec 2002

1) Roll Call

Present: Mark Levins, David Pooley, Jonathan Clarke, John Reid, Mirek Driml,
Shigemichi Yazawa, Enda McDonnell, Bryan Schnabel, Christian Lieske, Gerard
Cattin des Bois, Tony Jewtushenko, Matt Lovatt

Absent: John Corrigan, Ian Dunlop, Reinhard
Schaler, Peter Reynolds

2) Review of remaining outstanding issues

Issue 1(of Tony's emailed document)
- Extending attribute values

Christian explained the summary and
the available options and outlined the problems of both the redefine and
union approaches. Discussion continued on using the "x-..." approach
and how to ensure uniqueness between XLIFF sources. Due to prolonged discussion
this item was deferred.

Issue 5 (keeping discussion order) -
"Zero,  One or More" Language

After a vote it was unanimously agreed
that this issue is at the discretion of the specification editor and to
leave spec unchanged.

Issue 4 - Phase names in Alt Trans

Mirek pointed out that there were discrepancies
between his proposal and what was tabled for discussion. Mirek will clarify
this for discussion at the next meeting.

Yves observation regarding phase names
was then deemed to be separate item for discussion and a topic for the
next meeting. John Reid agreed to further Yves' suggestion and prepare
a proposal for voting at the next meeting.

Issue 3 - New elements "default"
and "defaults"

Christian explained summary sent by
Tony.

It was generally agreed that XPath was
not an acceptable means to fulfilling default specification of attribute
values.

John Reid proposed that defaultable
attributes could be moved to <group>. 

Mark Levins suggested that a <default>
could be created with all of the defaultable attributes optional to this
element, though its placement within an XLIFF document is at issue. Mark
also suggested that <context>s could be used for indicating default
values.

Christian is to refine the proposal
and available options for discussion at the next meeting, including which
attributes can/should be defaulted.

Issue 2 - Context Group

Removal of PIs reference and addition
of optional 'purpose' attribute to <context-group> and <context>
voted on, agreed and deemed closed.

Tony will create a new issue for the
next meeting for recommended values for 'purpose' attribute. 

John Reid will expand on current suggested
values for 'purpose' to generate a list for the next meeting, which will
be voted upon.

Issue 6 - reformat Element revisited

Matt summarized request for new 1.1
approach to reformatting

After much debate which included proposals
from deferring until the next release, to the creation of new dedicated
elements for existing attributes that are modifiable during translation,
discussion was forced to end due to time overrun.

Matt will put together a concrete proposal
for discussion at next week's meeting.

New Issue from John Reid - phase as
an attribute of <count>

John will flesh this issue out for discussion
at the next meeting

3) Schedule of remaining work

Tony is aiming to have completion of
outstanding issues before Christmas, (two meetings). Plan is have 1.1 spec
ready for final voting then.

Tony also requested more email activity/discussion
prior to meetings to try to shorten debate at meetings and requested that
discussion items for the next meeting be available by Thursday to allow
everyone to read up and prepare for the meeting.

4) AOB

Mark raised work of Free Standards Group Open Internationalization Initiative's
Common XML Locale Announcement for discussion. This will be brought up
at the next meeting after the team has read the announcement for discussion
wrt relevance to XLIFF. Mark to forward announcement email.

5) Next meeting

Tuesday 10th December at changed time
of 5.30 p.m. / 9.30 a.m.

Mark Levins

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